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  • New Wave AbDl Scene

    It may be just me but the scene seems very fragmented to me now. I realize it may not be a bad thing that BDSM scene is more accepting of us now and that a lot of people may have come over from that scene. And the main stream press since the early '90's when Jerry Springer and other hosts first brought us into the limelight were both good and bad things.

    I remember watching these interviews with everyone, including my birth mom at the Oregon meet in '97, I was in awe of those brave souls who risked so much to talk openly and honestly about themselves and their lifestyle. They were very strong,sincere and articulate people. I felt a strong kinship and very much wanted to meet them. Meeting anyone for the first time is very stressful, scary and never easy to me. I have always been somewhat of a clown to hide my nervous nature.

    I guess, part of my fears stem from moving around so much. I have lived all over the US and it takes time to develop real friendships. It seems like every time I found some friends we moved off. This continued into my adult life until my mid 30's I never spent more then a couple of years in the same area always searching for something. This made my social skills slow to develop. In a way the only friend I had for very long as a child and young adult was my diapers. But there is a very limited communication that can be preformed with them.

    Oops here I've gone off on a tangent again, lets get back to what I wanted to say. I know that most of you probably prefer to stay out of the light so to speak following the path of least resistance. It is the easiest or safest road to move along, and if you do chose to meet anyone within our genre, you will do so in very small groups with someone you have established a longer term relationship with. and by this I mean chatting in stages from say forums to chartrooms to telephone to establish some kind of bond and to reassure yourself that it is a non-threatening person or persons who you are going to meet in person. I noticed it seems harder to meet people that live closed to you then say those in another state. Which makes sense, it is far easier to avoid a long distance person then someone in your own neighborhood.

    I have had about 4 different meets during my active years. The first was with a girl who was from the wetting genre who had added diapers to her wetting scene. We had been chatting on irc for a few months, about 3 am there was only three of in the channel so the conversation turned very sexual. On the spur of the moment almost as a challenge a meet was set up between me and this girl. I was like a cat on a hot tin roof, this first time but everything turned out fine between us and we had a relationship that lasted about a year. We were almost 50 miles apart. The second meet was rather haphazardly setup also, with like a weeks notice it was going to happen. This was the Cleveland '96 meet Dougie and his wife/Mommy from Pennsylvania came, Tommie from Kentucky, and a new boy from rural Ohio(hi nickname escapes me at the moment). It lasted three days and was fun but full of surprises. The third one was a year later and well planed the '97 Oregon meet for 8 days where over 20 people showed through various parts of the trip. some we met for a few hours in Portland others showed up for a few days at the actual house we rented. It was fun, adventurous, thoughtful, thrilling, sad, argumentative, and more but above all it was human. We were all different and had different conceptions about what should and could happen. It was a great time of learning and growing for me, I am glad it happened an wouldn't change it for the world. The worst part was that when problems occurred it wasn't resolved soon enough so that some resentments or slights remained of incidents only to rear their ugly heads during the last few days of the event. We worked them out as a group as it should be.

    That is what really bothers me about this new Littles Group mentality. Having security members, presidents, advisors, etc., it is all so organized and unnatural to me, so establishment, so many rules, so cultist, it really scares me. Is that really the way to go, am I missing something? I know I am a conventional Rebel and always will be but I miss the other rebels, especially Whisper she was outspoken, contankerous at times but wonderfully real. Stood up for what she felt and I love the way she used to throw those little twists of humor our way, it made everything fall into place. Another person I miss is Rolf, if you are still around drop me a line at johnnyleewhite@yahoo.com, Whisper I would love to hear from you and your mate too, along with anyone else I have forgotten to mention.

    The last meetings I had one was kind of awkward a young guy slightly younger anyway agreed to meet up at a diner for coffee that was very close to my apartment at the time. He recognizedly me from my online photo so we got a booth to chat. I think I scared hem away by being to chatty and bold in my new found freedom, he seemed to look around alot and hardly spoke. I never really knew what he was wanting to accomplish by meeting me, as I was busy rambling off to hide my own nervousness to realize until it was too late. He bolted when he got a chance back into the shadows of the city. Tommy from Kentucky used to come up quite frequently for several years but eventually I lost contact with him. Maybe he will holler at me one day.

    Well if you have read all this, thanks, if not well thats okay too.

    later

  • #2
    It *is* hard to meet people, even after finding someone online. It's interesting what you say about the BDSM scene being more accepting of us though - maybe through the mainstream, like you say, we've had a bit more exposure, mainly negative in my recollections, but no publicity is completely bad - and we are our own publicists in every meeting we make, in my opinion.

    I've met 3 women from online, had on/off relationships with one of them, and some memories that will last a lifetime. Unfortunately I'm still looking! I've started going to the local fetish/bdsm munch recently though, and it's been a really positive experience so far. I've opened up to a few people face to face about my "whole" kinky side, including nappies, and got positive answers. Got a couple of telephone numbers too, so I'm still seeing how things work out there.

    Something that strikes a chord with me is that you seem to have gained confidence over the years, johnnylee, as have I. I suppose I give less of a shit these days and am happier with who I am - if someone likes that, great, but I'm not all about the nappies by any means, and love pleasing, basically. So, I'm set to meet with a couple of dommes(sp? female doms?) who both like watersports and seem keen to include me in a bit of playtime... I'm under no illusions and don't see this as the start of a relationship, but I'm happy exploring and enjoying the journey.

    Also, recently, I was approached by someone who had noticed me at the munch. I've only been going about 4 months, but made plenty of friends there. Anyway, she commented on how comfortable I seemed with one of the aformentioned women, and how I'd settled in so quickly; now I've not really considered myself gregarious before, but I think it's time to finally drop the perception of myself as shy or introverted / quiet, and accept that maybe I am a bit more sociable, lol! it doesn't come naturally, or quickly, but I've forced myself to be more sociable and pushed my comfort boundaries by just going up to people in these situations and saying "hi", starting conversations etc.

    Our self perceptions colour our actions and attitudes towards others, including meeting people. As they say, love yourself and others will love you - so maybe self acceptance is a step this way. I just wanted to add that although it may be hard, put on a brave face, get out there and meet people - close to you if possible (I *walk* to my munch! ) - those people with negative perceptions of you don't matter, and those that do matter will most likely be the friends you'll make who stick with you.

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    • #3
      My problem with the way ABDL is evolving is twofold.

      1: The creepers seem to be on the rise. Every website I go to now is just chock full of them, spouting their blatant lies and mindless drivel... and none of the mods want to do anything about it.

      2: Some of the new groups I've seen popping up are very cliqueish and elitist. If you don't subscribe to THEIR particular version of ABDL you are wrong and must be ostracized.

      As far as ABDL in the real world goes... I think it depends on how many persons of similar interests are present in your local community. There are about 10 people with ABDL/Ageplay interests local to me... but I've only seen 2 or 3 of them at events. BDSM dungeons just aren't particularly suitable environments for our kind of play.

      ABDL is growing, that's for sure. I'm just waiting on the community to mature some more before I get really involved again.

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      • #4
        I agree

        JustAnotherGuy said

        Our self perceptions colour our actions and attitudes towards others, including meeting people. As they say, love yourself and others will love you - so maybe self acceptance is a step this way. I just wanted to add that although it may be hard, put on a brave face, get out there and meet people- close to you if possible (I *walk* to my munch! ) - those people with negative perceptions of you don't matter, and those that do matter will most likely be the friends you'll make who stick with you.
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        I like that statement, and it rings so true. I was thinking while tying to fall asleep of the duality of life as a future topic, but I digress again; I have become more settled in my later years and it was indeed a long and growing experience but at a Heavy Cost to my family. I find myself thinking of how great a opportunity young people in our genre have that wasn't so readily available in my youth. To able to discover that they are not as strange as they thought can help make their lifes easier. It is great to meet others with similar likes and desires or lifestyles but there is so much more to life then that.

        And as Justanotherguy says loving and accepting yourself is one of the biggest hurdles to deal with.

        Am I lonely without others to hang out with in diapers feeling relaxed and accepted, sure I am, there are times I cry myself to sleep so to speak out of loneliness. but this is where I am at now. I have to carry-on for my Grand Children for awhile longer, no matter how much I would just as soon join my late wife it cannot be. I may be wrong but I feel there is a reason I have survived all the crazy, wild and suicidal parts of my life, if so who am I to judge anyone else? All I can do is keep on carrying on and maybe in some small way help make a difference in someone else's struggles to find them selves. If me relating some of my experiences helps, maybe it is part of my penitence. I don't believe in coincidence, I think that things come back to roost, like you reap what you sow. It could just be a guilty conscious or not.

        I appreciate hearing others thoughts on my ramblings and whether we agree or disagree, is not as important as just listening is.

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        • #5
          On the Money

          DelaFoxtrot said


          My problem with the way ABDL is evolving is twofold.

          1: The creepers seem to be on the rise. Every website I go to now is just chock full of them, spouting their blatant lies and mindless drivel... and none of the mods want to do anything about it.

          2: Some of the new groups I've seen popping up are very cliqueish and elitist. If you don't subscribe to THEIR particular version of ABDL you are wrong and must be ostracized.
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          Finally, this is something I have also noticed, but it may not be as new as it seems. Maybe it is just more noticeable especially with the Facebook Mentality. It seems to me that even back to my IRC days the Cliquiest groups existed and I am sad to say that at times I was part of some. At the Height of The Channel I CO-founded, I got swept up with self-importance, fame and an Elitist attitude feeling a bit like a rock-star on the rise. I must admit it felt good in the beginning with the channel at times having 40 to 50 members joining, and more established channels like #DPF, etc... losing them. It was winning the fifty yard dash, there was so much fun at first and everyone wanted our attention.

          But I was deluding myself, because soon enough came the bad stuff, at first there was just a few complaints and disgruntled people. I was happy to help them out the best I could but it soon became a flood and I became overwhelmed. Some of the requests were very valid ones that had to be settled, the majority were trivial bullshit that created havoc in the channel at times. I gave them lip-service but would secretly chat with my clique about them. Was it wrong, for sure but I wonder is this part of our human nature or immaturity or both? It is surely food for thought, that feeling of being part of a group especially if you are part of the inner circle can be a powerful one. A form of addiction like the first hit of Crack, a feeling users struggle to repeat which is unachievable, they end up chasing the dragon for as long as their addiction lasts without ever finding fulfillment. Yes I am speaking from experience, more on that another time though. In the end I was left the owner of an empty channel with no one to blame but myself, I was heartbroken and became somewhat bitter. Blaming outers for my failings and harnessed Bill's Wetsville forum when I felt misunderstood and maligned. How wrong I was but it took awhile to realize it. Personal growth is hard work.

          An point is this FaceBook and Groups Mentality which the point seems to be how many friends you can add but never talk to. What is that? I would much rather have a few friends on my list that I like then a bunch of strangers who say nothing or just spout drivel like a bunch of mindless drones. The queen bee doesn't tolerate drones in the hive if they are not productive and useful she disposes of them. How many chat channels have I been in where no one seems to really be there? It is like attending a giant party where everyone turns there back and turns mute when you approach them.

          Also I am not against the AgePlay community it self or their munches just the elitist ones of the group and their self-unimportance. Any reasonable munch can be a lot of fun. I may be a DL but during the meet in Oregon I experienced some role-playing and it was very relaxing as well as enjoyable. I don't think I would be comfortable in to structured one such as a dungeon. Having the right persons to participate would be the best, who does want to be on stage and perform?

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