what's happening????

[Darkman9000]

I think the problem is that there aren't enough options for folk who want to get into relations with others. Sure, you have the personals page, but that's not the most reliable thing compared to fetlife and collarme. And then of course some people are put off by the site limiting what content you can see depending on if you're a paying member or not.

[watchyougo]

This is what omorashi.org has now, though, at least on the pee side of things. I'm not arguing for it over wetset or anything like that, but they have a trusting community where some people are sharing self-generated content, so clearly they're doing something right. People do share content here, but it's more pictures and fewer videos. I imagine being difficult to navigate has its drawbacks, but it also seems to keep the trolls out.

Agreed.

As far as the web design goes, I don't really understand, Yanni. You said you didn't like having too much content on one page, but then you said you left because there wasn't enough content on the first page. And simple can be good, but having a diverse offering means attracting people who value different things. Having a number of different board can be really nice. For example, there is a wetting experiences board and a wetting videos and links board. That way you have a dedicated place for stories where they don't get overrun and overlooked because they are sharing space with videos. Stories, both real and fictional, do very well there.

As for the name of the site, I tend to agree with you. However, the site owner is a big Japanese culture fan, and the site attracts a lot or people with that interest. I know that might seem like a bad thing, but since omorashi is much more mainstream in Japan, that focus actually seems to attract more people than less. Just like BDSM is fairly mainstream here. People on BDSM boards talk about a wide variety of topics, which is conducive to a more normal social situation than people sitting around talking about nothing but a fetish. All in all, I think the good outweighs the bad.

EDIT: thought of one other thing. The term omorashi is not as taboo as something like "panty pissing," and it sounds more like something you'd say to a woman. "Hey, are you at all interested in omorashi?" vs "Do you like panty-pissing?" I just think I would be much less embarrassed to say I like omorashi than any of the alternatives.

[bwetfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpBhrjfetkk

[pissdrinker]

here

i have read the posts on here than many people have gone to pastures new, maybe if nicky would upload the accasional free clip to entice people back,

this is an amazing site and forums really good, we must do someting to bring everybody back

[DaveW]

My thoughts

I'm writing my thoughts below. I'm not sure how well organized they are.

There's currently a divide in my physical life and my digital life. There's the 'me' that poops my pants and gets off on others pooping their pants. Then there's the me that goes to work every day and is involved in 'normal' society.

They each have their physical world (hanging out with family vs. pooping my pants in public) and they each have their digital world (my Facebook account with 'normal' friends and my WetSet/WetPantsBoy/Joyangeles/ExperienceProject account with my fantasy friends).

One issue in maintaining a 'double' life is that of time. It's tough to maintain a digital presence in both of these worlds. I would *love* to post about my pants pooping stories, videos, and desires on one account. However, that would not fare well with my 'normal' friends. Instead I have to decide whether to post on WetSet, or post on ALL the sites, on all the forums.

The other problem (and this is more of a theoretical issue, I'm sure there's a name for it) is our society's separation and lack of vocabulary around sexuality. I remember Maria's stories about being introduced to the S&M community (a community that's slightly more socially acceptable than our own) in hopes of finding someone who is into waterspouts and thereby pooping. The only thing remotely close to 'sexuality' on the most popular and central site on the Internet is Facebook's "relationship" status. That's it. Imagine seeing statuses like "Sexual things I'm into", "Orgasms I've caused this week", "Orgasms I've experienced this week", "Something new I'd like to try", "My partner this week", etc. There *are* sites dedicated to this, like alt.com, however, again we run into the problem of maintaining two profiles, two personas.

We already maintain several personas, work-life and "real friend" life, and these two sometimes mix, but wouldn't it be grand if we could incorporate our sexual-life and "real" life. I would love to know if any of my close girlfriends, or someone in my Facebook list, is into pants pooping, or find out about *their* fetishes that they must be hiding.

Some people do post Twitter updates or YouTube updates (both are linked to Facebook) about seeing someone pooping, or peeing their pants, but these are seldom. Wouldn't it be liberating and convinient to "Like!" a Nikki video, or a Narada story, and for it to appear across your social networks. That's the case with the Internet today, except for our fetishes, which to me are central in my life.

I'm not sure of a solution. Right now I'm posting across several sites. I just pooped myself in public tonight and I'll make a post on the WetSet message board, ExperienceProject, and WetPantsBoy, in hopes of getting comments and hearing about other people's experiences, and of course to share.

If you've read this far, good on you!! :-)

[DaveW]

Following up from my last thought, about a divide between digital identities...

This time thinking about meeting people that are into our fetish.

It seems like the community we have here now (and perhaps always had on WetSet), in its discussions and postings, is limited to the fetish aspect of our lives and nothing else. There is no "General Discussion". We are mostly anonymous (except for the WetSet girls who reveal their faces).

This is obviously for reasons of anonymity, but I think it's part of what leads to the lack of 'community' this thread is suggesting.

A few years ago a girl that was into panty-pooping and who used to post on this board wrote a message re: how to meet someone into this fetish. She mentioned that as soon as she wrote that she was a female her Inbox was flooded with messages about hooking-up, meeting-up for sex, etc. She wrote that what was missing was the human aspect. The getting-to-know-you stage. The interests *other* than this fetish that makes you unique and special. All those things, I believe, will make the panty-pooping experience - if and when it happens - that much more sexy and interesting.

At least, I think that may be the case.

I'm involved in other online communities (both specialized hobby communities like dirt-bike riding, technology forums, and Facebook) where discussion is never limited to *just* dirt bikes, computers, and... whatever Facebook is supposed to be. There are meet-ups, general discussions, celebrations of topics outside of the forum's topic (e.g. people speaking of their children, work promotions, personal issues, etc.).

I'm wondering if and whether there's a place for that in our community, and what its effects will be.

[Adrian6970]

I'm writing my thoughts below. I'm not sure how well organized they are.

There's currently a divide in my physical life and my digital life. There's the 'me' that poops my pants and gets off on others pooping their pants. Then there's the me that goes to work every day and is involved in 'normal' society.

They each have their physical world (hanging out with family vs. pooping my pants in public) and they each have their digital world (my Facebook account with 'normal' friends and my WetSet/WetPantsBoy/Joyangeles/ExperienceProject account with my fantasy friends).

One issue in maintaining a 'double' life is that of time. It's tough to maintain a digital presence in both of these worlds. I would *love* to post about my pants pooping stories, videos, and desires on one account. However, that would not fare well with my 'normal' friends. Instead I have to decide whether to post on WetSet, or post on ALL the sites, on all the forums.

The other problem (and this is more of a theoretical issue, I'm sure there's a name for it) is our society's separation and lack of vocabulary around sexuality. I remember Maria's stories about being introduced to the S&M community (a community that's slightly more socially acceptable than our own) in hopes of finding someone who is into waterspouts and thereby pooping. The only thing remotely close to 'sexuality' on the most popular and central site on the Internet is Facebook's "relationship" status. That's it. Imagine seeing statuses like "Sexual things I'm into", "Orgasms I've caused this week", "Orgasms I've experienced this week", "Something new I'd like to try", "My partner this week", etc. There *are* sites dedicated to this, like alt.com, however, again we run into the problem of maintaining two profiles, two personas.

We already maintain several personas, work-life and "real friend" life, and these two sometimes mix, but wouldn't it be grand if we could incorporate our sexual-life and "real" life. I would love to know if any of my close girlfriends, or someone in my Facebook list, is into pants pooping, or find out about *their* fetishes that they must be hiding.

Some people do post Twitter updates or YouTube updates (both are linked to Facebook) about seeing someone pooping, or peeing their pants, but these are seldom. Wouldn't it be liberating and convinient to "Like!" a Nikki video, or a Narada story, and for it to appear across your social networks. That's the case with the Internet today, except for our fetishes, which to me are central in my life.

I'm not sure of a solution. Right now I'm posting across several sites. I just pooped myself in public tonight and I'll make a post on the WetSet message board, ExperienceProject, and WetPantsBoy, in hopes of getting comments and hearing about other people's experiences, and of course to share.

If you've read this far, good on you!! :-)

My thoughts exactly, Dave. I would like to be more open about my interests but there's no way I'd ever consider sharing them on Facebook, Twitter or any other social media. That's not because I'm ashamed of them in any way but because they're not widely understood outside the w/s community and I happen to value my family and friends some of whom may, unknown to me, share my interest but the vast majority of whom very probably won't. It's not an easy thing to deal with by any means but I think we have to accept a degree of separation between our online and offline lives as a necessary evil.

[Narada]

Some people do post Twitter updates or YouTube updates (both are linked to Facebook) about seeing someone pooping, or peeing their pants, but these are seldom. Wouldn't it be liberating and convinient to "Like!" a Nikki video, or a Narada story, and for it to appear across your social networks. That's the case with the Internet today, except for our fetishes, which to me are central in my life.

I'm not sure of a solution. Right now I'm posting across several sites. I just pooped myself in public tonight and I'll make a post on the WetSet message board, ExperienceProject, and WetPantsBoy, in hopes of getting comments and hearing about other people's experiences, and of course to share.

I would love it if my stories could be shared on sites like FaceBook, Twitter, and Tumblr instead of them only being able to be seen here or at other adult sites. I could get millions of readers!

[vaarjas]

Following up from my last thought, about a divide between digital identities...

This time thinking about meeting people that are into our fetish.

It seems like the community we have here now (and perhaps always had on WetSet), in its discussions and postings, is limited to the fetish aspect of our lives and nothing else. There is no "General Discussion". We are mostly anonymous (except for the WetSet girls who reveal their faces).

This is obviously for reasons of anonymity, but I think it's part of what leads to the lack of 'community' this thread is suggesting.

A few years ago a girl that was into panty-pooping and who used to post on this board wrote a message re: how to meet someone into this fetish. She mentioned that as soon as she wrote that she was a female her Inbox was flooded with messages about hooking-up, meeting-up for sex, etc. She wrote that what was missing was the human aspect. The getting-to-know-you stage. The interests *other* than this fetish that makes you unique and special. All those things, I believe, will make the panty-pooping experience - if and when it happens - that much more sexy and interesting.

At least, I think that may be the case.

I'm involved in other online communities (both specialized hobby communities like dirt-bike riding, technology forums, and Facebook) where discussion is never limited to *just* dirt bikes, computers, and... whatever Facebook is supposed to be. There are meet-ups, general discussions, celebrations of topics outside of the forum's topic (e.g. people speaking of their children, work promotions, personal issues, etc.).

I'm wondering if and whether there's a place for that in our community, and what its effects will be.

dailydiapers.com fulfils that role for the ABDL community, it seems pretty successful to me. I think it's the case though that you need to have a critical number of people to sustain a community like that, and this fetish is just too small to support it. Possibly because this is a relatively simple fetish whereas ABDL can be made pretty complex, or maybe that's looking at it backwards. I don't know.

[Shu]

As the founder and sole administrator of omorashi.org, I thought I might register for this site to address some of your concerns and statements.

I checked out omorashi.org, and my thoughts were the following: First off, it may be silly, but the domain name is a word that a large majority of westerners would not be familiar with. I only recognize it because I've been lurking around this community for almost 15 years. People who like pants pooping and curiously venture out into the web looking for others who share their interests more or less need to be lead directly to a site, and really, a domain name like pantspoopers.org will say it all.

The site was originally known as AnimePee.me. Which, as the name would suggest, was a site centered around anime themed artwork and doujins. This was well over a year ago, however. I decided to move the domain over to Omorashi.org, as I felt it was a good mid-ground. You may not think it's well known to westerners, but as far as the anime/eroge community goes, it's more well known than you may think. It's also as WatchYouGo mentioned, I'm simply not fond of using any "aggressive" language in a site URL. I would never willingly use a domain name such as PantyPissers or anything of the sort. I also partially chose Omorashi.org to help publicize the term a bit. Not only this, but because it was an easy term to control as far as SEO goes. If you do a quick Google on the term, you'll see the site is very well ranked. The site gets thousands of visitors from Google every day alone. So it definitely has some publicity.

Second, the interface is too damn complicated. Modern mediocre web design seems very focused on cramming as much bullshit as it can on a page and adding assloads of features. I think a community forum should be very specific in scope, and very simple to use. Looking at omorashi.org, I immediately felt like it wasn't worth my time to bother looking around the site because there was no real content on the front page.

You claim it was too complicated, then you claim just looking at it gave you the impression that it wasn't worth your time. You insinuate you never even attempted to learn the interface at all, but still state it was too complex. On the contrary, I think the forum is quite simple to use. It operates similar to how any other forum would. The site has multiple themes you can freely switch to and from if you don't like the current default. Also, this is, again, a forum. What do you expect to be plastered on the homepage? A bunch of images of girls pissing flashing in your face, a teaser video, what exactly would you want to see? We do have a portal page that we've used as the default on and off, and I've considered bringing it back after making some more modifications to it, but I see little wrong with the standard forum layout as the current index page. I believe the saying "don't judge a book by its cover" applies here.

Edit: One point I forgot to bring up is that an objective of the site I envision is that people would share their own personal content and foster the generation of self-shot, user submitted videos. That's a pretty long shot, but it's what I envision.

Many of our community members have festered up the courage to share their own self-shot videos, and I'm working on making it easier for users to do so still. Offering more privacy controls as suggested is just one of my current tasks.

[calm]

I think the admin could get more traffic if he opened up the image boards to guests(this might be a bandwidth problem, but a simple solution would be to make the thumbnails visible, but if you want to see the full image you will have to be signed in). More people might sign up this way. Also google bot will cache all the thumbnails for google image searches.

[Shu]

I think the admin could get more traffic if he opened up the image boards to guests(this might be a bandwidth problem, but a simple solution would be to make the thumbnails visible, but if you want to see the full image you will have to be signed in). More people might sign up this way. Also google bot will cache all the thumbnails for google image searches.

I used to do something similar to this, except I had a system that let guests preview a select number of images before being told they had to log in.

Google is unlikely to cache or index just thumbnails on the site, it is even less likely for them to return the thumbs for any type of real search query. How often fo you get returned with nothing but a thumbnail when you search for something in Google Images? :P

Whenever I'm finished repairing and updating our gallery system, I likely intend to make it fully public this time. A gallery won't consume a lot of bandwidth (by modern standards), unless you're running a very large board. Large enough that the amount of traffic would likely make shared hosting an unviable option to begin with.

[calm]

Google is unlikely to cache or index just thumbnails on the site, it is even less likely for them to return the thumbs for any type of real search query. How often fo you get returned with nothing but a thumbnail when you search for something in Google Images? :P

Many cases with forums i get a link to a full sized image, but the site only shows me the thumbnail.
Just give any visitor with googlebot's user agent string priority to see the full images, that way the bot sees and caches the images, then the user who comes over from google just sees the thumbnail.
But I don't mean to tell you how to run your site, you're site is great, I've been coming here for like 12 years

[Efox]

E`Fox

The site is still amazing, it's the layout that makes things difficult, which is sadly a small swing at the users. Seems to me that "back in the day" as it were, posting in a huge, connected forum, made for a much easier read. Personally, I don't see much of a difference. But, that's people for ya!

Also, on another note, I have a question for Niki (or Her producers?)

I would love to purchase your videos, as they all seem amazing, however, your costs in comparison to your competitors sites are extremely high! For example, I've seen single videos run upwards of $30 a piece on wetset, where as on another "unnamed" board that begins with a J and ends with an A, you can pay $45, and get access to multiple videos INCLUDING the entire archive.

My question is, would this site, and its producers, ever consider switching to a method like that? If so, you'd have my money. And if there are others out there with similar interest, and cash to burn, theirs as well!

Thanks for reading,

-Fox

[Nikki]

Hi Efox

I'm not sure I can think of any single clips on Wet Set that cost over $30. Some of the older FLBaby girls clips might, but we don't set the price for them. I know that I have no single clips that cost over $20.

Are you sure you're not looking at my DVD's? They cost more but include multiple clips.

I also don't understand when you say "... where as on another "unnamed" board, you can pay $45, and get access to multiple videos INCLUDING the entire archive." - You can also get access to multiple videos + a huge archive on Wet Set by joining the members area for $24.99, that's cheaper than the price you're quoting of your good value site. The new clips you see for sale don't go in to the members area at the same time as they go up for sale, but everything is filtered through.

Maybe you can see why I'm confused about everything in your post.

Nikki