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**TVGuy** · July 25, 2011, 07:55 AM

As a pay site operator I can tell you that it is hard to keep coming up with new ideas for videos. After having shot over 300 videos of girls peeing their pants, it becomes challenging to continue to come up with ideas for fresh scenarios that we can realisticly film. If you have ideas for what you would like to see, please share them. Fresh ideas are always welcome.

**Patches** · July 25, 2011, 03:47 PM

I can echo the comments of TV Guy. It is hard to come up with new ideas for scenes. I sometimes rely on the suggestions of customers for scene ideas. For example, scene 32 in Patches 54 was shot based on the suggestions of a customer. He initially asked about having the scene shot as a custom scene just for him. I told him is would cost him $200 which was as low as I could go and still cover my costs. It would be a scene that would only be sold to him and never used in a video. Given that option, it made much more sense for him to just buy the whole video with that scene in it for $50.

The focus in almost all the scenes in my Patches videos is an act of intentional wetting. This is what distinguishes my Patches videos from those of other video producers. I cannot get my head around how to shoot scenes of real accidents. How do you set up a situation where a girl is going to wet herself unintentionally so the camera is there to capture all the action for a video? I don't know how to do that!

The closest I have scene to real accidents are some of the old Giga videos where they put a girl out on a street in a public situation. They keep her there with several cameras shooting from different vantage points. Eventually she has to wet herself and they capture it on video. That may work for the Japanese but it involves a passive, tolerant public and it subjects the girl to great humiliation as she wets herself. In the American culture, very few want to see a girl humiliated that way for the sake of a fetish video.

I did learn a few things from Hope & Spirit in their True Desperation line of videos. Their focus was to capture scenes of girls who were so desperate that they would lose control and wet themselves. They worked very hard at making their scenes as real as possible. I know the wetting is real and accidental because I helped them with shooting True Desperation II. Unfortunately, the early videos in the True Desperation series are no longer available because they were only on VHS. However, even with the examples I saw from Hope & Spirit, the method for capturing real accidents in scene after scene eludes me.

So, if anyone has scene ideas that will offer you the content you are looking for, contact me or TV Guy or any of the other video producers who have a shooting style that appeals to you and let us know what you want. Let me add that it would also be helpful to provide info on HOW to shoot the content you want to see. It is not enough to just have the scene idea but we need to know how to shoot the scene so it offers the full effect you are looking for.

**zac** · July 25, 2011, 07:46 PM

Hi Patches :-)

Real accidents are not an easy thing to capture. But it has been done. The issue that we think is important to mention is the fact, at least in our case, how to ask those who were there for permission to use it in a fetischvideo.

We believe that those who had a good laugh at Teasers "mishap", and still today try their best to make her pee her pants just for the fun of that moment they had back then, would not participate in turning that into a
commercial video.

Wetting is not their thing, but to make Teaser wet herself has become a misson more or less for some of our friends.
But not for the reason wetters hope for, unfortunatly.

And we agree that staging such situations are probably the most difficult thing you can get yourself into with the purpose to make it look authentic.

That is what makes real accidents hard to show,, at least for us amateurs.

Drop us a line if you want, Patches. Perhaps we might be able to add some thoughts about the matter at least.

Greetings

Zac & Teaser

**NL Boby** · July 26, 2011, 01:07 AM

Station Desperation

Good timing with this thread. I was about to start a new one relating to an almost perfect situation in the UK where one would be able to have an accident in a public place without too much exposure, and where a potential excuse is , obvious to observers, so that it wouldn't appear intentional. one where I've been very tempted, I'll present it as a story which I will one day make real. I do however, think that filming something like this in such a public area may be rather difficult without being approached by a paranoid security guard.

After a long time away from it, I've again started traveling in and out of London frequently by rail. I was heading out north bound from Euston station when I needed a wee, the toilets were easy to find, but after getting there, my way was barred by turnstiles! It was necessary to pay with specific coinage before gaining access, even to the gents!

The effects were obvious, resulting in public toilets which were bright, fresh and clean, but I also wondered how many wetting accidents have happened just outside while attempting to get change? My need wasn't extremely desperate and I made it this time. On this rail journey, I was thinking about how this would provide the perfect situation for a public wetting accident on one of my subsequent journeys.

It's away to the side of the main waiting area, along a short, narrow side hallway which only leads to the toilets, thereby limiting the exposure. I'll also be carrying changes of clothes, meaning that it would only be a short walk in wet jeans to the toilets, where I could clean up and put on dry clothes and nappy (after getting the correct change).

Station Desperation

The tube was crowded and the bustle made it easier to just go with the flow rather than trying to aim for a specific exit, it was the gents toilets that I needed, but I knew it would be less busy in the station, and that I would make it there.

Up in the station, it was easy to spot signs to the loo and I would soon be feeling that blissful relief before embarking further on my journey. The indicated path lead me through ticket barriers and across the width of the station, the need for a wee was starting to become more than just a full feeling and I knew I hadn't much time to spare. The journey ended at something I had never seen before! My way to the loo was barred by turnstiles! Specific coinage was necessary, but with my focus clouded by my desperation, and the intense physical strain of trying to hold on long enough to make it to the loo, meant that the coinage signs didn't register.

I entered a turnstile while chucking any coin in, expecting change, instead it's returned. Eventually the information sinks in, I need another ten pence!
Shit! Where can I go?.....
Ah a kiosk, they must be used to change beggars, eventual queue progression, accompanied by a small overflowing trickle answered that-

"We don't give change, you'll have to buy something" Said the attendant, a woman in her late 30's, who was wearing a wicked smile, accompanied by glint in her eyes, she appeared to be revealing her obvious knowledge of what I really need and her pleasure in delaying my progress. Her elevated location, and clear view of the toilet turnstiles must provide her with frequent time passing pleasure of seeing men and women finally stop in their tracks, at the point of losing control, with their pale jeans beginning to take on a new contrast as growing dark glistening patches of pee start to spread about their crotches and down their thighs.

Wriggling and dancing around, with a fear that the same was going to happen to me soon, I took out a fiver, but the urgency and knowledge of subtle staining distracted my mind sufficiently to make mental arithmetic impossible. Hoping I would end up with the necessary change I pointed out a random item.
"Uuuuh I'll have a, uuuuh, one of those please". A packet of pork scratchings Euuugh!) and four pound coins were offered towards my reach, she stopped and withdrew subtly to retain my attention. Smiling again, while looking down during her cruel hesitation, she eventually proceeded to direct me to a change machine on the wall, right next to the turnstiles!

I walked slowly towards the machine so as not to break my concentration on holding on. "I'm nearly there" I thought, as I made it to the machine, and fed in another quid, change came tinkling down into the trough.
I shouldn't have done that! Tinkling cash and "nearly there" thoughts of relief once again combined and caused me to briefly let down my guard! Another sprits of pee escaped before regathering my control and clamping shut.

Turning to my left, I headed slowly and as casually as I could towards my final goal. Within yards of the turnstiles, cash in hand and ready, and with the door in sight, this visual cue, combined with that familiar ambient aroma of cleaning compounds must have made some deep neural connection, standing with my legs squeezed together and hands clutching at my crotch, I lost it and began pissing myself in front of what felt like a stadium of onlookers.

Hot pee quickly warmed up the previous cooling patch then just roared down my legs and thighs, I had nowhere to hide and my pull along case only served to mask my feet as pee flowed from my jeans to form a big yellow puddle on the white floor. I had become caught in a situation similar to those experienced when having accidents as a child, once the flow started, I was just unable to stop.

Men just glanced at me then quickly looked away, it was the women who appeared most interested, some staring, some giggling with their friends.
This had been the ideal excuse for me, and to do it impulsively made it feel so more intense. Would any of them really think it had been done on purpose? Or that I was hiding the immense excitement and thrill of being seen peeing myself in such a public place?

I continued to the gents with the obvious mark of shame on on my jeans, but I didn't care who might see me, it was fun and I was able to get clean and change into some fresh clothes from my case in plenty of time for my train.

**kevy19** · July 27, 2011, 04:25 AM

Thanks for your reply's.

Patches and TVGuy thanks for your good honest reply to my first post! Yes I do really so appreciate how difficult it is to keep coming up with new ideas and how hard is to make a wetting look real and accidental! I better add here I would never expect or want any models that are used to be caused distress humiliation or real embarrassment by putting them in a situation they are not happy with! And also I realise any filming outside in public places has to be kept within in the law of that country!

For me it does not matter if the situation is not that real but some sort of desperation leading to a wetting scenario has at least be attempted as lets be honest as you say its very hard to capture a natural accident and that's not what I'm after! Going back a good few years now Tiffany and Natalie did some great fun stuff on the WHP site which was great not serious but great fun to watch! I just like my brain to be kidded along as I watch a wetting video there always has to be some imagination on the part of the watcher! And that's fine with me, As an example here, I find the likes of the so well used idea of the locked out girl scenario! Which we see so often, there she is poor girl desperately trying the door whilst holding and rubbing her self doing the pee pee dance etc, in some quiet garden or location! I tell you what my brain tells me with these are most girls would get to a stage and if they still could not get in to the loo and it was quiet like it is in these videos' then they would then just pop a squat and pull there jeans and pants down and wee by that door or in the garden or quiet road path way area rather than wet there cloths! Any day. I have been with many women in situations like this and they don't wet!

This is what I mean! And why in heavens name do I just want to see a girl wet her pants in some bland room or outdoor location with no scenario at all which we see so much of! today. This does nothing for me at all! I tell you one great video that did it for me in the last couple of years was was Bound2Burst "Going Up" shot in a make believe lift that breaks down! This is so real! Well put it this way, I can make my brain think it is! and I just so love how the first girl Lola wets her tight black trousers her face just before her pee stream starts is priceless and is a picture! Great acting on her part and it still makes me twinge with her deep embarrassment of hers which I can feel, and then just being so desperate she has just to let her piss go by accident in her tight black pants, and none of that OMG OMG OMG ( Which I hate) I'm peeing myself stuff girls in real life just don't say or do that. She just goes very quiet and coy as the stream starts its the other girls that notice and start going on about her pissing herself! And the blinding thing about this video is there is a guy in the lift to! Now had there just been girls! No good as my brain and knowing girls pretty well as I do after 50 years on this planet, the girls would have all just pulled what they had on down and pop a squat in the lift floor but with the stranger and being a guy they can't ! That makes it for me! And is first class. OK so these models are not actresses we now that so there will always be limitations to any video.

But surly Its not that hard thinking up new ideas is it? Why O why, can't we have more beach bikini and swimsuit wettings they are so natural to me just about every woman I have known has pissed there dry swim wear on the beach for me or just out of the need to go! So what about a voyeur guy on the beach or in some sand dunes say with a video camera out looking for girls weeing there swim wear! So he can sneaky film them doing this! Very easy and cheap to do on a quiet beach location! We get so little swim wear wetting on pay sites and when we do is filmed in some boring bland back garden again.

We also don't get enough girls in sports wear wetting on pay sites in my view! It seems a lot of guy's like blue jeans which is OK and you have to accommodate everyone's taste, but I would so love to see more sports wear! A classic real wetting my last partner told me about was her and another girl played in a netball team this was in the UK they used to get picked up in the car park of a big local town retail park which often they had to leave early say at 6 am say to get to very distant away match tournaments. Anyway picture two girls dressed in tight fitting tracksuits my partners friend had got up late so it had been a mad dash to the get to this pick up point where the team mini bus was picking them up from, and apparently she had not been to the loo and had started to get hydrated for the tournament by swigging water from a bottle as they waited in this big empty retail shopping complex car park it was soon pretty obvious that this girl need the toilet desperately So my partner told me! Then my partners mobile rings seems there has been big problems with the mini bus and its now running very late due to a breakdown they are told to hang on at the pick up point! To cut a lovely long desperation story short there are no toilets any where round this huge car park all the shops are shut as its so early there are a few people about and a few cars there is no cover what so ever close by to go a pop a safe squat the poor young girl waiting with my then partner lasts about another 45 min's still no sign of the mini bus and in the end she just pisses a torrent in her tight trackie bottoms! It made my partner horny seeing another girl totally lose it and have a genuine accident in her pants! In the end they could not fix the team mini bus so the the match was called off! They had both gone to the pick up point by public transport my partner lent the other girl some dry sweat pants from her spare kit to get home in!

Boats!

One of the best accidental wetting true accounts I have heard was told a few years ago now at a dinner party of all places! A couple I know spent there honeymoon on a very cheap cruise around the Greek isle! I think the ship was an ageing Greek cruise ship! Anyway one morning they were awoken in the very early morning by the ships fire alarm going off and then over the tannoy they were told by the captain to vacate there cabins quickly and take there life jackets and muster on there right life boat station on the upper deck as quick as possible! They quickly threw some cloths on and did just this. There was some slight smoke in the outside corridor when on the upper deck it was typical Greek total confusion. Any way to cut a long desperation story out again there had been a small fire in the engine room which the ships crew had contained after about an hour or so the captain decided the passengers were in no danger so did not abandon the ship but kept the passengers on the upper deck due to smoke no one was aloud to go down in to the ship so hence you had a situation where no one could go to find a toilet! The crew handed out bottled water and the passengers had to keep the huge bulky life jackets on, and baring in mind most people had just got straight out of bed after a boozy party the night before there were some pretty desperate people with very full busting bladders on that upper deck this couple told how over the 3 hour period they were stuck up on deck a lot of people just had no option but to just piss there pants including his new wife!

Maybe its because a few years ago I worked as a carpenter at one of the last big film studios in the UK we could mock any scene up that was asked of us so I could build sets very cheaply myself to make all kinds of environments and situations! Its amazing what you can do with plywood and paint! I suppose its due to lack or experience and cost that no one uses sets on such pantie wetting videos!

I'm there again amazed no one has every done a small boat wetting easy to do! As a 14 year old kid I saw my aunty totally piss her bikini whilst we were out fishing on my uncles small boat every one thought it very funny including herself in the end!! She could not swim so un like everyone else had done just took a dip in the sea when the need arose she was a big good looking woman I well remember seeing and hearing her piss a torrent through her ample bikini panties and the look of total relief on her face when done! Even a rowing boat on a lake has never been done! Or even a girl pissing in a PVC pool type boat is great in a garden or room! My ex use to do this for me in the winter indoors sounds wicked as the pee stream hits the hard blown up boat floor!

When my older sister left school she went to work for a bank then would you believe 3 days in to her new job the bank got held up by armed gun men! I remember my big sister Jules saying about the girls out front the cashiers 3 out of the 6 totally pissed themselves as the bank was held up! She told me that there were pools of piss everywhere! By the cash desks after the raid when she went out!

We never see any of the pay sites do a horse riding kit wetting! Come on what about a girl in nice tight jodhpurs there again I new a girl that told a story about how she was out riding she had been out sometime and was getting desperate for a pee she was riding in some woods and miscalculated the size and height of a branch and rode straight in to it which knocked her off her horse which then spooked the horse which just ran off! After a few min's the girl came round she was not badly injured or hurt thankfully but the fall had winded her and on looking down she was also losing total control of her over full balder and sat pissing her panties and jods in the woods! Nothing like piss soaked tight wet jods.

By the way I'm always up for buying or sponsoring a video with buying the model a new outfit to wet in! If this helps costs.

Nice story NL Boby!

But I don't really think we could expect models to go this far could we! As that would be total humiliation and deep embarrassment and I for one would never expect that! Or want for them to go that far, and you have to remember just about all the tube and trains and stations these days and even the buses in the UK and like wise most of the world too now have CCTV so one does have to be very careful. As OK yours could have been described as a genuine accident! But I think if a girl is seen pissing her panties in a situation as this with someone filming that would be thought to be against the law! I'm not sure if it is or not in the UK or the world at large? But as I say you could not want or expect a model to go this far for anyone! And I for one realise there has to be limits and this kind of video done in privacy! But that aside this should not limit what is possible there must be loads of good ideas out there just waiting to made in to a video!

Well I have had my say and gone on far to much good that some folk replied nice to hear other opinions and thoughts and ideas.

Best wishes

Kev.

**kevy19** · July 30, 2011, 09:56 PM

Quick PS! Just posted a pic on the picture board of wetting leggings in a blow up boat!

**kapulas** · July 31, 2011, 01:53 AM

Staged versus real wettings

Good thread by the way. One of the best wettings I have seen is the video with the young girl in a one piece bathing suit in a park. She jabbers on and on and finally starts to get fidgety and wants to go home. As she is packing up her stuff she wets her bathing sit. This looked very real, even though it was clearly staged, and is a plausible scenario. The sounds of her pee hissing through her suit is great.

I can appreciate the difficulty coming up with new a different scenes and situations but do also very much appreciate those who do. Keep up the good work.

**ControlFreak** · August 1, 2011, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by kapulas

One of the best wettings I have seen is the video with the young girl in a one piece bathing suit in a park.

I think you're talking about a clip of Alice from INeed2Pee. There are things that video producers can do to make footage of accidents seem realistic or actually be real, but I expect that most of the quality and believability just comes down to the actress. I imagine that Alice did such a good job with that video simply because she held it until she could hold no longer. (What an idea!)

**Rayford21** · August 1, 2011, 10:45 PM

Video recording

Over the past 15 years I have subscribed to pay sites at one time or another.
Some are consistently good with their choices of models. They can be all shapes, colors and sizes, it's the attitudes and expressions the models have that counts for them. The clothes they're wearing matters too. If the videographer doesn't watch his subject lighting and the action can't be seen satisfactorily then it shouldn't be published. As a paying customer here are my beefs about pay site videos.
Continuity...every video should have some sort of direction, when a girl starts wetting keep your lens on the wetting, zoom if you have to but don't pan, and stop showing flashbacks of girls faces and nearby scenery while the action is going on. I also like to see the girls show the front and back of their panties after the act. Patches always ends their videos without showing good aftermath; at least turn the girls around so we can see the backsides.
Stories... I'm just as guilty of not sending in practical stories the Maker could use because I didn't think they would be interested in outside ideas. They need some practical story makers for their girls.
Clothing...all the video makers are guilty of this one. Almost always there are great scenes with great clothing that appear to be new because they are nearly waterproof, especially panty scenes. A great improvement could be made by laundering these items several times before using them in a video.
I also love visible panty lines and see through wet pants, it adds to the imagination.
In conclusion I want to thank the makers for keeping up with the expensive technology to bring us better resolution.
Stay with the MAJOR video makers for your pay sites and keep a jaundiced eye on the minor ones who often introduce you to ransomware when you download something from them, particularly foreign countries.
Just my opinion, folks. No offense intended.

**TVGuy** · August 2, 2011, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by Rayford21

when a girl starts wetting keep your lens on the wetting, zoom if you have to but don't pan, and stop showing flashbacks of girls faces and nearby scenery while the action is going on.

I just wanted to say that I have had requests for the exact opposite. People have wrote in and say they want to see a shot of the expression on the girls face as a quick cut-away during the wetting.

I think it just goes to show there is a wide variety of tastes out there. We try our best to please everyone as much as possible, but it is impossible to please everyone with all our videos. At HD Wetting we have done videos that have received overwhelming positive feedback, but the very same videos have generated tons of complaints as well.

**Rayford21** · August 2, 2011, 08:33 AM

Thank you

Thanks TVGUY for your answer. I subscribed to HD last week and the quality is great.
Some of the scenes I didn't care for but I'm glad you reminded me that the videos aren't made specifically for my interests alone. There's lots of folks out there that would probably bypass the scenes I like to watch, which makes story selection difficult for the entire staff.
I also want to thank you for your contributions to this group over the years.
Give my regards to the girls and all the staff for me.

**2prnot2p** · August 2, 2011, 03:24 PM

Actually, there really is no such thing as videos of "real" accidents. Sorry, but this is true. It could only happen if someone just happens to have a camera when someone "just happens" to wet herself. Get over it.

ALL paysite owners stage the scenes. Like, duh...they MUST! And, I don't blame them at all.

I'm fine with seeing a model drinking a lot of fluid, going for a walk in public, and REALLY having to pee. Some are not.

Due to the high demand for us wetting fans, what else can webmasters do?

So, I say, just feel happy and horny that you got to see a hot chick wet her tight jeans! It works for me.

**TVGuy** · August 2, 2011, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by 2prnot2p

Actually, there really is no such thing as videos of "real" accidents. Sorry, but this is true. It could only happen if someone just happens to have a camera when someone "just happens" to wet herself. Get over it.

ALL paysite owners stage the scenes. Like, duh...they MUST! And, I don't blame them at all.

I'm fine with seeing a model drinking a lot of fluid, going for a walk in public, and REALLY having to pee. Some are not.

Due to the high demand for us wetting fans, what else can webmasters do?

So, I say, just feel happy and horny that you got to see a hot chick wet her tight jeans! It works for me.

As a paysite operator, of course we plan our shoots in advance and stage scenes, however things don't always go as planned.

For example in the Sammy video, "Unplanned Stop", on HD Wetting the plan was to have Sammy get desperate, stop at a park where we knew the bathrooms would be closed, and have Sammy pee in her pants after struggling with the locked door. However, Sammy had to pee too bad before we got to the location so instead we grabbed the camera and shot her peeing alongside the road.

Personally I have mixed feelings about these unplanned videos. In one regard, they are much closer to a real accident because the model actually can not hold it any longer. However, because these videos aren't going the way we planned, often the camera is not ready to go, or we aren't shooting the lead up to the event, or it happens so fast we can't get a good view before the girl starts to pee. The stages videos offer much clearer views of the actual wetting and the lead up to it.

**David,England** · August 3, 2011, 05:49 AM

I'd like to see a scene reminiscent of the time when the Cat Chaser singer Mopett wet herself on stage!

If you search for this in You Tube, you will see something that comes close....

Pee Pants! - Lady Gaga Just Dance Parody

Wetting combined with the sexy rock atmosphere would be very arousing, I think.

David

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