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    Before I say anything, I apologize for posting this in the watersports forum. I know that there is a technical/site question forum, but it gets about as much traffic as the surface of Mars and I feel this is kinda an important issue so I'd like people to see it. If you insist, I don't have a problem with an admin moving it there, because it is in the wrong spot and I'm totally aware of such.

    I'm going to make a suggestion, and I think it would greatly improve the quality of the site. See those little numbers next to the number of posts in each thread? That's the view count. Notice something odd? Yep, there's thousands of views for each thread but they barely get any posts in them. I only truly noticed the scope of the problem recently, when I posted a story and received hundreds of views in the first 24 hours and only a single response, but it's been ongoing for a long time. It was even an issue in the old forum, though that didn't allow you to see how many views a page had so the problem was hidden. Obviously what's happening is tons of people are showing up as guests or registering an account and only using it to lurk without ever posting a single thing.

    What's my suggestion to fix it, then? Force people to post. First of all, guests don't get to view the forums. If they come to the message board and they're unregistered, all they get is the ability to register and maybe view the rules and an introduction to the board, no forum access at all until that's out of the way. Then for their first, say, five or ten posts, don't allow them any access to the image forums, only the text forums. If they want access to that part of the site, they'll have to prove that they're part of the community. If someone doesn't post within a few days of registering, delete their account. If someone posts their five or ten and then months later they've never posted again while still being an active viewer, delete their account (this can probably be a once-per-month thing, clear all the inactives at once to make it easy). If people are making shitty one or two-word posts in order to get their count up, delete the posts and make them start over. We need to quit just allowing people to come into the site and leech endlessly off the hard work of those who are willing to provide us with stories and pictures and videos and all the great stuff we love to have. There's nothing more irritating than knowing you put work into something but most of the people who enjoy it will never thank you, they'll never contribute anything for you to enjoy, and they'll probably never even register an account on the site.

    Seriously, if you do this, one of two things will happen. One, there will be an explosion of activity as the lurkers realize they can't just have a free wank anymore without giving something in return (even if it's only a post saying "thanks, I liked the pics" or such). Or two, things will stay close to the same except only the people who are willing to be a part of the community will be able to see what's getting posted. I am completely fine with either of those outcomes, personally.

    I'm now going to open the floor to anyone else who has an opinion on this matter. Am I completely off-base here? Is there some random major issue with this plan that I've glazed over and thus makes it unworkable? I'm 99% sure you can prevent people from viewing certain forums with this software (user groups, maybe?) and I'm all but certain you can do so for guests, so I don't imagine the technical side would be super complicated unless there's something I don't know (quite possible). The biggest issue would be admin enforcement, I think, since they'd need to be proactive in deleting lurker accounts (some of it could probably be automated, like the ones that never post at all). I'm just sick and tired of seeing thousands of people enjoy the content of this site while never so much as thanking the people who provide it, and I think something has to be done to fix the situation or nobody will even want to post their own stuff anymore.

    EDIT: the more I think about it, the more I think this solution might be too complicated (or at least parts of it) just because of the amount of admin involvement required day-to-day and week-to-week when it comes to deleting accounts. Regardless, if anyone has any comments feel free to post them, particularly if you've got your own idea as to how to get people to stop endlessly lurking and post on the damn site.
    Last edited by Ellipsis; August 29, 2011, 12:05 PM.

  • #2
    It's a decent idea, and I agree that it's a problem. Every time I post a pee file or find a pee file, there are hundreds, even thousands of views, and little or no discussion.

    My only concern is users making meaningless posts to gain access to the site. But, there's no doubt that there's a lot of silent wankers out there.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ellipsis
      EDIT: the more I think about it, the more I think this solution might be too complicated (or at least parts of it) just because of the amount of admin involvement required day-to-day and week-to-week when it comes to deleting accounts.
      Exactly. The last thing I want to see here is members becoming volunteer moderators, and that would almost be required because of the extra managing needed.

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      • #4
        Yeah, I had a good think about it after I posted and it's probably not going to happen for a number of reasons (including the ones we've both cited re: moderation), though I still think that if nothing else forcing people to register in order to even view the forums is a good idea. That way it at least takes some effort to attain the wonderful things within, and if someone has an account already they may be more inclined to post since it's only a click away. I also think a minimum post limit in order to view the photo boards is a good idea, and that maybe we should get a separate video forum that's also invisible to people with less than ten or so posts, so they can't trawl for YT and other vids as easily. I understand the concerns about people posting worthless shit to get access, but a well-enforced "no bullshit one or two word posts that contribute nothing" policy should nip that in the bud nicely, with worthless crap getting deleted and repeat offenders banned. I was once a mod on a forum which restricted its newbies to certain areas based on their post number, and it wasn't that much extra work outside of regular moderating because I'd just delete nonsense crap as I saw it during the regular "rounds" if you will. It helps if the community reports problems using the built-in reporting feature, which this forum has and could be put to good use if people are informed about it.

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        • #5
          My 2 cents worth...

          With all due respect, I personally much preferred the old forum layout & terms (i.e.- no registration). There were FAR more posts, a much more free-wheeling give & take. Granted, there was a lot of trouble with "trolls", "flame wars", etc, but having to register is a hill many folks just don't want to climb. I, for one, was pretty unhappy about the change, but I'm certainly not going to get all "pissy" (heh!) about the policies of a website that provides this much content for free! I think that if you put still MORE requirements on visitors to this site, you'll wind up with even FEWER posts. Hell, the vast majority of what's there are (frankly) lame "youtube" sightings. Seriously, how often do you see a really good story posted anymore? A posted question about watersports? A posted opinion?
          I haven't posted a whole lot in recent months because "real life" hasn't been all that good to me in the "true story" department. My Dear Wife has had some health trouble, & I've been having to work my butt off to keep up with the bills. Neither is conducive to having wet fun. Hopefully both will improve.
          As I said, just my humble 2 cents worth.
          Thanks & Best Wishes- Vic

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          • #6
            To Ellipsis-

            I should hasten to add that the story YOU posted recently about the black girl having a major accident was EXCELLENT! Well written, too.
            Belated Thanks!- Vic

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            • #7
              Forcing people to register to view the forum will dry up new membership quickly. I'm not going to register unless I see something worthwhile first. On the other hand it works quite well to force people to register to see images - people click on an image thread and get a registration message and then sign up to see the picture they wanted to see.

              Seriously, if you do this, one of two things will happen. One, there will be an explosion of activity as the lurkers realize they can't just have a free wank anymore without giving something in return (even if it's only a post saying "thanks, I liked the pics" or such). Or two, things will stay close to the same except only the people who are willing to be a part of the community will be able to see what's getting posted. I am completely fine with either of those outcomes, personally.
              There is a third likely outcome: the forum will go downhill fast as users migrate to other forums that don't have this requirement.

              Different folks will participate at different levels. I'm grateful for the members who scour the web and contribute weekly posts, but that's not me. I read the forum frequently, and when I stumble across something new and awesome I post it here. But that might be only once or twice a year, since I'm not out there looking that often.

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              • #8
                If people are too bloody lazy to spend literally thirty seconds and register an account, I'm not exactly going to cry over them not being able to read the forum. It's already about as downhill as it can get as far as people contributing goes and making people register to view it will do nothing to change that because the problem I'm mostly complaining about involves people who don't contribute anyway. You may have a point when it comes to attracting new members, but I've seen other forums which hide the boards until you register and they seemed to be doing fine.

                I'm not claiming to have all the answers here, but I figure if things keep going the way they're going the forum's going to die anyway. Let's do some math. The forum as of this moment has 5039 members. 4057 of those have zero posts to their name. That is over 80% of the membership of this board. A further 699 have made one to five posts. We have 283 members that have made more than five posts in their time here. Two hundred and eighty-three. That is 5.6% of the membership, even if you include the 63 of those accounts which haven't posted in the last two months and are likely inactive for the most part (leaving 220 active members with more than five posts). What does this prove? We literally have the exact same group of people constantly posting and endless masses of people who are doing nothing but take content and take up bandwidth and they do NOTHING for us, not even a simple thank you. If I'm wrong about what needs to be done, so be it, but I'm not sure that leaving things the way they are will lead to a good outcome either.

                P.S. Vic, thanks for the comment on my story, I really appreciate it. Also, I'm not trying to hate on people who can't provide new stories or pics or anything like that. All I ask is that people not be able to join the forum and then sit there never making a single post or never thanking anyone for the work that's done on their behalf while reaping all the rewards of membership (including access to the photo boards). Not everyone can produce quality content, and even if you can, people don't always have time to do so. Nothing I've said indicates that those people would be unwelcome, though my posts can be rather dense so I can easily understand if you got the wrong impression.
                Last edited by Ellipsis; August 29, 2011, 05:13 PM.

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                • #9
                  That's a great idea! And I do so agree with it. I don't suppose we will ever see it happen mind but I give it my whole hearted support. I never mind good or bad agree or disagree comments to anything I post! It would just make the forum that much more interesting and so what if it cut the numbers down it would never stop the genuine people coming here and posting. So I agree with the idea.

                  Kev.

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                  • #10
                    My humble opinion...

                    I totally don't see the lack of a person "taking 30 seconds" to register to use a board as "laziness", but in my case at least, the TOTAL distrust of the privacy, security, etc. of such an action on the "Wild West" known as the "internet".
                    I don't even PRETEND to have the level of tech skill to know how much making such a registration could identify me in "real life", but frankly, I'm pretty much always gonna err on the side of CAUTION! The fact that I registered to post on this site at ALL should be a DAMN good compliment to those who produce it!
                    There it is- Vic

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                    • #11
                      This place has never been, and will never be, primarily a discussion board.

                      Most people come here to have a quick wank and then they are on their way. If they wanted to participate in discussion I'm sure they would.

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                      • #12
                        Every online forum I have ever participated in has similar stats: 50%+ of members have never posted, lots of folks post once or twice, and 5% of the members are responsible for 80% of the posts. As long as that core community continues to exist, the forum is not doomed to die.

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                        • #13
                          this isnt unusual for this forum lol... every forum is like that. forcing people to talk is a bad idea. it just ends up in pointless spam.

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                          • #14
                            definition of irony

                            i just think its ironic how this post has quite a high number of responses compared to its number of views considering the subject matter. but yes that is a problem which i cant really see a solution to, any real solution to this would just generate more problems for the forum

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                            • #15
                              Alright, I guess we can consider this one of those things that I'd love to fix in a perfect world but it isn't one so it's impractical. Ah well, at least it triggered some discussion on the issue, and that's always a good thing. I would like to note to madalu though that, while many other forums may have few posting members, I'd imagine those forums don't deal with a relatively unusual fetish where finding and producing new material involves serious effort on the part of the people providing it. It's not exactly an apples to apples comparison, is what I'm saying.

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