Any demand for personalized videos?

[Manchineel]

As a film school graduate and a peeing fan, I have obviously thought of making videos related to this fetish many times in the past. I think a big part of this (ans many other fetishes) is the fantasy that goes along with it, and many video producers don't get that. Although it's better than nothing, I'm not all that turned by a woman standing there and wetting her pants for the camera. Unlike traditional porn, I feel there needs to be a story to really make it work. Even many of the producers that try for stories feature such extremely poor acting and low production values that one can hardly immerse themselves in it. That's why Youtube videos and whatnot are so treasured here. It really happened, so there's a built in story... the real story.

That brings me to my question. Is there any demand out there for high quality videos made of videos made to your specific fantasy. So, you would send a detailed account of your fantasy, I would change it to a screenplay and get final approval and work out the details with you. Then shoot it as I would shoot a real film with multiple angles, story driven cuts, etc. What would someone pay for such a thing?

[Redd]

I tend to agree with you. In almost ever pee movie/clip that you can get on the net including ones from the good guys like Bound 2 Burst and HD wetting, the movie ends with the wetting. Which may be where interest waynes, but I think there is a market for the whole story, including what happens next. A scene the shows someone dealing with the accident. How far must they travel in those wet clothes? How long must they keep them on? Who else will see them and how will they play it off? Do they have to clean it up? Maybe an ongoing story where the it is a condition that is coming on and soon there is a second occurance. More acting, more scenario, still wetting! That's my 2 cents.

[Drying]

As a film school graduate and a peeing fan, I have obviously thought of making videos related to this fetish many times in the past. I think a big part of this (ans many other fetishes) is the fantasy that goes along with it, and many video producers don't get that. Although it's better than nothing, I'm not all that turned by a woman standing there and wetting her pants for the camera. Unlike traditional porn, I feel there needs to be a story to really make it work. Even many of the producers that try for stories feature such extremely poor acting and low production values that one can hardly immerse themselves in it. That's why Youtube videos and whatnot are so treasured here. It really happened, so there's a built in story... the real story.

That brings me to my question. Is there any demand out there for high quality videos made of videos made to your specific fantasy. So, you would send a detailed account of your fantasy, I would change it to a screenplay and get final approval and work out the details with you. Then shoot it as I would shoot a real film with multiple angles, story driven cuts, etc. What would someone pay for such a thing?

I agree with you completely on the story part.

Many videos are truly unrealistic, because of the story. I don't mind if the acting has some flaws, but I simply do not care about videos from models who clearly do not get the point. I think B2B is currently the best on this point, and the ones that are acted less such as WIP and PPG are also good.
WHP tries to make it like regular porn, which does not really work for me, and IN2P is often really annoying. I'm afraid I have not seen any recent WetSet videos, and I speak only about the stuff I found scattered on the web.

Anyway, while I fully agree with you, I would not pay for it. Until I stop stumbling over good free stuff, I will not buy anything.

[Consch]

I would definitely love to have high quality videos made of my fantasies. I was actually considering going to film school myself, but if you're up to making the movies, I wouldn't have to.

I think my biggest pee fantasies involve desperation as the result of a prank, where the prankster(s) set the victim(s) up to have to pee really bad (as suddenly as possible) and not have access to a bathroom. I like the prankster(s) to female, and to laugh and tease and maybe tickle the victim(s) (who can be male, female, or a mixture) while the victim(s) beg for bathroom access while trying as hard as they can not to pee in their clothes. The victim(s) should not be expecting the prank, and the prank should be revealed as suddenly as possible. I consider it important that the characters be wholehearted; the prankster should seem triumphant, and be laughing hard (Haha! Gotcha!) and the victim should seem shocked.

Now, if not many people people share this fantasy, then it might not be worth the cost of producing a high quality movie. I'm not sure if I could afford the production cost by myself.

[Manchineel]

Yes, production costs are the problem, of course. Else I'd just go out and film my own damn fantasies and you guys could all go to Hell. Just kidding...

I'll tell you what, though. If anyone (or group of people who pool money together) is interested, I will do the first one with absolutely no profit for me. That means you cover my costs and I work for free. The only catch is that I get to use that video as a demo to show others who might be interested. The most expensive part of this is going to be the actors involved. The larger the cast you need, the more expensive it's going to get... fast. Anyone who is actually engaging in urination during the course of the film will be the most expensive. Other actors will likely be much less expensive. I am guessing I might be able to get a woman who will act and wet herself on camera with no sexual acts or nudity required for... $500 a day? Anyone else who doesn't have to do anything but act maybe $100 each? So if the video featured only one female actor who wet herself, I would guess that with incidental costs, the total might be less than $1000 for the video as long as I take no money for my time and effort. If there were only ten people who shared a similar enough fantasy or fantasies that could be integrated together into one story, that's only like $100 each for a tailor made fantasy video.

With more actors and added complexity comes more expense of course.

[Consch]

Yes, production costs are the problem, of course. Else I'd just go out and film my own damn fantasies and you guys could all go to Hell. Just kidding...

I'll tell you what, though. If anyone (or group of people who pool money together) is interested, I will do the first one with absolutely no profit for me. That means you cover my costs and I work for free. The only catch is that I get to use that video as a demo to show others who might be interested. The most expensive part of this is going to be the actors involved. The larger the cast you need, the more expensive it's going to get... fast. Anyone who is actually engaging in urination during the course of the film will be the most expensive. Other actors will likely be much less expensive. I am guessing I might be able to get a woman who will act and wet herself on camera with no sexual acts or nudity required for... $500 a day? Anyone else who doesn't have to do anything but act maybe $100 each? So if the video featured only one female actor who wet herself, I would guess that with incidental costs, the total might be less than $1000 for the video as long as I take no money for my time and effort. If there were only ten people who shared a similar enough fantasy or fantasies that could be integrated together into one story, that's only like $100 each for a tailor made fantasy video.

With more actors and added complexity comes more expense of course.

$1000 I could afford. It would be a bit disappointing, though, if I paid $1000 to produce a movie that ended being just like hundreds of other movies that I could get for $5 each.

I wrote a story a year or two ago that only has two speaking characters, and a third mentioned character that only appears briefly. In that story it's a man who wets himself, but if a man wetting doesn't interest you you can change him to a woman without changing the story. The story, entitled "Miss McMillan's Milkshake Parlour", fleshes out my fantasies, but it is not the only way to do so. I've posted it in a number of places, and if you like I can post it here as well. I'd like to see it made into a movie, although of course there are changes that could, and probably should, be made in the process; there are limits to my creativity, and to my knowledge of what is realistic.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how easy it is to communicate fantasies in writing well enough to make a movie out of them. It might be better if you told us your fantasies and sought funding from those who shared them.

[KingPlant]

For $1000 I would expect exclusivity and the right to sell the movie on **********.

[Manchineel]

Consch, I found your story on another site and it looks like it would make an intriguing movie. Finding a location might be the hard part for this one, but not impossible... There's only one location and two characters, which is good. There is conflict and tension and some intrigue as well. It's not exactly my flavor, but I like it. Personally, I don't mind shooting a man wetting. It might be cheaper, actually. I just wonder if it would be useful as a demo with a male lead since most will want females, I think. I can start doing some checking up to see what the real price would be for talent and locations and start converting it into a screenplay to see if you like it if you're serious. I can tell you for certain that what I produce will NOT be like any other wetting videos, at least none I have seen. My intent is to make a very high production value piece. It may not look like a Hollywood film, but it won't look like some random guy with a camcorder and a model who doesn't really know the first thing about filmmaking, either, which is what 95% of everything else out there looks like.

KingPlant, if I give exclusive rights, I will of course have to be compensated for my time. Paying myself anywhere even remotely close to a decent wage will easily at least double the cost, maybe triple depending on the project. I think it's a good compromise to get my services for free and we both get rights to the project. But if you want full rights and are willing to pay for it, I can work with that as well.

[KingPlant]

I think you will find, at prices you are quoting you will price yourself out of the market.

I can get movies done for a lot less than that AND have exclusivity to do with them what I want.

There are a plethora of people who are prepared to do one off movies at less then $1000.

[Manchineel]

There are a plethora of people who are prepared to do one off movies at less then $1000.

I agree that there probably are. And I will bet that if you buy services from one of these people, you will get something of the same quality or lower than you can find for free by doing a quick web search.

What I'm talking about is not going out with a camcorder and a model and some vague idea of a scene to shoot then sticking it in Windows Movie Maker and making a few cuts and done. I mean to make something that requires preproduction planning, story-boarding, location scouting, etc before it's even shot. During the shoot, do everything multiple times from different angles, get pick up shots, inserts, and b-roll; then spend a good deal of time in post production putting it all together. If a professional quality video is not what you want, then by all means buy from someone who will give you an amateurish one. For what I'm offering, $1000 is ridiculously cheap. Yes, maybe it turns out there's no market for high quality fetish videos, but that's why I'm asking to find out.

[kevy19]

Hi every one

I have been saying this for ages now that most of the pay sites these days have lost this whole story scenario wetting idea they seem to think all we want is some very pretty model to stand in some garden or bland room and wet her panties this may work for some folk so I'm not going to knock it! But its not for me at all! Even Bound2Burst seems to have run out of good ideas of late! And it all gets very much the same old thing! Which there again I suppose its very hard to keep coming up with new ideas!

So I commend your efforts re this if you do sart making videos like this trouble is the cost! I have been quoted by a UK site to make some personal story / scenario wetting videos but they want upwards of 1000 UK pounds for each 15 to 20 min's movie the average guy at the moment has nothing like this to spend on such ideas! So I don't know how you get over that one! As I realise it would cost this taking the models fee going to and finding locations travelling making and editing the final film! I see you are saying much the same only $1000 US dollars!

I bet there are many people that would like to do this but for the cost I started this thread some time ago re this and see link where lower in that thread I give some of my own ideas have a look then as I was so fed up with what the pay sited have to offer us!

http://www.wetset.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1503

Hope your idea goes well I have to say $1000 dollars is more like it for me for me as I reckon that's about 700 UK pounds! I do however feel it would be hard to get a group togther as that's the troubel with this fetish we all so like things done differently and feel it would be hard to please a group of say 10! Maybe it would.

Hope you idea takes off anyway look forward to reading more on your ideas.

Best wishes Kevy.

[KingPlant]

I agree that there probably are. And I will bet that if you buy services from one of these people, you will get something of the same quality or lower than you can find for free by doing a quick web search.

What I'm talking about is not going out with a camcorder and a model and some vague idea of a scene to shoot then sticking it in Windows Movie Maker and making a few cuts and done. I mean to make something that requires pre production planning, story-boarding, location scouting, etc before it's even shot. During the shoot, do everything multiple times from different angles, get pick up shots, inserts, and b-roll; then spend a good deal of time in post production putting it all together. If a professional quality video is not what you want, then by all means buy from someone who will give you an amateurish one. For what I'm offering, $1000 is ridiculously cheap. Yes, maybe it turns out there's no market for high quality fetish videos, but that's why I'm asking to find out.

OK - agreed on your points. To get a movie that is equivalent to a Blockbuster then I guess you would have to pay a good amount. However, I would still want full publishing rights.

I do know of a couple of companies that just make movies and others just buy them and publish them but like you say, they are limited on 'special effects'.

I prefer the gonzo type of movies myself which are best filmed with one camera.

If I were you with all that spare cash floating around I would go and buy a camera worth $1000, hire a local prostitute and film her yourself. It might not be to the standard you are expecting from the professionals but the joy of watching it back after you have done the filming is far more exciting than when you buy a 'special' movie.

[Consch]

If I were you with all that spare cash floating around I would go and buy a camera worth $1000, hire a local prostitute and film her yourself. It might not be to the standard you are expecting from the professionals but the joy of watching it back after you have done the filming is far more exciting than when you buy a 'special' movie.

I'm satisfied with my $400 camera. However, I'm not really comfortable talking to prostitutes.

I would definitely like to see "Miss McMillan's Milkshake Parlour" made into a movie by a film school graduate. I would want to be sure, however, that my fantasy was understood by the filmmaker. There might be a certain amount of ambiguity in a written story, and if the filmmaker interpreted it differently than the author had intended, then the author might find the movie disappointing. So look into cost and feasibility, if you can, but also let me know if you have any questions about the story. Feel free to suggest improvements, as well.

[Consch]

Perhaps I am mistaken about written stories being ambiguous. However, I have seen several staged prank movies in which, for instance, the prankster showed less glee than I would have liked. That sort of thing can severely lessen a movie which would otherwise fit my fantasies perfectly.

I would be open to the idea of collaborating on a story if anyone else has a fantasy which is consistent with mine. If not, I'm still interested in seeing "Miss McMillan's Milkshake Parlour" made into a movie, if it can be done.

[TVGuy]

For $1000 I would expect exclusivity and the right to sell the movie on **********.

If you want to pay $1000 for a single video KingPlant, HD Wetting would be happy to film whatever you wanted and give you the exclusive rights to do whatever you wanted with it. :-)