Letting others know you are into WS.

[quietpr11]

Also KingPlant...you are dead wrong about women if you are going to broadbrush them as either being receptive to watersports or not at all times - my girlfriend once told me that if she'd learned about my interest in having her pee on me early in our dating, she'd have run the other way, but that now that she knew me as well as she did, she found the idea very erotic. I was willing to work hard at building my relationship first and to patiently reveal bits and pieces of info about my fetish as the relationship would allow and was rewarded with the hope that my relationship might answer some of my deepest sexual dreams.

And, may I add, you are even further wrong if you assume that all women will react to a new revelation about their partner with shock and alarm that such things weren't told on the first date.

There are lots of women out there - the one I'm dating included - who prefer to learn about their would-be partner slowly because finding out what sexual kinks he has right away would be intimidating and offputting without a pre-existing emotional connection.

In short...I pity the man who thinks that a relationship must begin with all cards on the table on day one and can't imagine that a person might prefer to learn things about you slowly and gently...he'll be costing himself many chances in life and he'll probably never know the joys of learning about someone in a manner that is earned by real work on your relationship and real pair-bonding (not just because it's expected or because you can't be patient).

But hey...I'm old fashioned like that. I believe that emotional bonding comes BEFORE sex...and so does the intimacy of total honesty.

[KingPlant]

KingPlant, the official expert on your relationship.



What a jackass lol. The funniest thing is he goes on about his amazing pissy sex life, yet he spends all his time posting on this forum.

Aloo

In total I spend about half an hour a day on here. That leave twenty three and a half other hours to spend on pissy sex.

[Halflife77]

Also KingPlant...you are dead wrong about women if you are going to broadbrush them as either being receptive to watersports or not at all times - my girlfriend once told me that if she'd learned about my interest in having her pee on me early in our dating, she'd have run the other way, but that now that she knew me as well as she did, she found the idea very erotic. I was willing to work hard at building my relationship first and to patiently reveal bits and pieces of info about my fetish as the relationship would allow and was rewarded with the hope that my relationship might answer some of my deepest sexual dreams.

And, may I add, you are even further wrong if you assume that all women will react to a new revelation about their partner with shock and alarm that such things weren't told on the first date.

There are lots of women out there - the one I'm dating included - who prefer to learn about their would-be partner slowly because finding out what sexual kinks he has right away would be intimidating and offputting without a pre-existing emotional connection.

In short...I pity the man who thinks that a relationship must begin with all cards on the table on day one and can't imagine that a person might prefer to learn things about you slowly and gently...he'll be costing himself many chances in life and he'll probably never know the joys of learning about someone in a manner that is earned by real work on your relationship and real pair-bonding (not just because it's expected or because you can't be patient).

But hey...I'm old fashioned like that. I believe that emotional bonding comes BEFORE sex...and so does the intimacy of total honesty.

I don't think you're entirely old fashioned for thinking that way - that's been my approach (bond first, then sex) for most of my adult life.

I'd say it depends on the woman...I've found some like you to be upfront about your kinks while others would prefer to get to know you. Anyway you slice it though, the majority would prefer to be eased into it. Works out better in the long run as they may come to love this part of you in addition to what makes you, well...you.

[KingPlant]

I don't think you're entirely old fashioned for thinking that way - that's been my approach (bond first, then sex) for most of my adult life.

I'd say it depends on the woman...I've found some like you to be upfront about your kinks while others would prefer to get to know you. Anyway you slice it though, the majority would prefer to be eased into it. Works out better in the long run as they may come to love this part of you in addition to what makes you, well...you.

Under normal circumstances the 'get to know you' first is fine. But in the field that we are looking in, normal accepted sexual practices go out the window. As a fella looking for a woman you wouldn't like it if someone persuaded you to 'take it slowly' for a couple of months only to find out when it comes down to the sex, that she is a tranny..... You see it enough on the Jerry Springer show to see that this sort of thing goes on.

Thats why I want to know everything about a woman before I get too deep. By that I mean, before the third date because I would be expecting to shag her by that time.

Now enough people are going to dispute the way I operate but there again - I get the pissy women and you don't - who's way works best.

[Apemantus]

Quality not quantity.

Though obviously that is something KingPlant's neanderthal brain will fail to comprehend.

[mysteron]

I get the pissy women and you don't

Have I got balls or what - lol

No, you've just got a fat head.

[Manchineel]

Telling a woman right away when you start dating her is big mistake. That's the time when you are judged on (and judge her on) the most superficial criteria ever. If you happen to illicit an ewe reaction at that point, she is lost. In fact most of what we do during that time is, in one way or another, a lie even when we don't realize it.

The correct time to reveal it is after sex has already happened enough that it has become an expected part of your time together. At this point, she has accepted you enough to have had sex with you and has also had a few times of that to get a little used to having sex with you so it's not an intimidating experience for her in any way. She's most likely to be receptive to it at this time.

The biggest mistake you could make is waiting until the next phase of the relationship when the sex starts dying down in frequency. By that point, the sexual part of your relationship has pretty much been worked out (that's what the last phase was for) and it will be much more difficult to suddenly add something new into the mix.

[wiseguy]

To add in my own personal experience, I've gotten pretty much all the women I've dated to wet themselves for me. My issue is that they're doing it for my pleasure, not because they have a genuine interest. That changes things, I don't know about anyone else.

[DeltaFoxtrot]

Guys... I think you should all stop feeding the troll.

[KingPlant]

Guys... I think you should all stop feeding the troll.

So - I'm a F*****g troll now am I.

You know the people who have been doing the most flaming on this topic are the people who cause the most upset on this forum.

All this came about because I mentioned that gay people have a way of letting other gay people what they are into sexually.

Delta - you are the main protagonist... You were the one who denigrated this thread into a slanging match so I do believe YOU are the F*****g troll on this forum and not I.

[KingPlant]

No, you've just got a fat head.

Jelousy is not a good trait to have. It will tear you apart and drain your confidence.

[mysteron]

Jelousy is not a good trait to have. It will tear you apart and drain your confidence.

Jealous.... yeah right.

I'll tell my g/f you said that, and she'll piss herself laughing whilst she's sitting on my knee.

[Peevert]

I agree with KingPlant (as difficult as that is to type) and Maria on this one. There is no reason for us to be closeted. If you're still in the closet, you're a part of the problem. I know I've pointed out before how ridiculous it is that gays are out of the closet and we're still in. I think what gay guys do is disgusting. And there's surely gay guys who think what I do is disgusting. But the bottom line is it that it really doesn't matter what other people think.

My friends all know about my desires. As for girlfriends, I've told them all, but only three have agreed to play along. And my AB friend was the only one that was really into it and really understood. There is a major lack of females out there who are willing to play along, and who are concerned about their boyfriends/husbands being truly satisfied.

[Halflife77]

I agree with KingPlant (as difficult as that is to type) and Maria on this one. There is no reason for us to be closeted. If you're still in the closet, you're a part of the problem. I know I've pointed out before how ridiculous it is that gays are out of the closet and we're still in. I think what gay guys do is disgusting. And there's surely gay guys who think what I do is disgusting. But the bottom line is it that it really doesn't matter what other people think.

My friends all know about my desires. As for girlfriends, I've told them all, but only three have agreed to play along. And my AB friend was the only one that was really into it and really understood. There is a major lack of females out there who are willing to play along, and who are concerned about their boyfriends/husbands being truly satisfied.

I'll add to this and say that I agree as well. We don't need to showcase or actively declare that we're into this, but we shouldn't feel ashamed that we have this kink - or any fetish/taboo turn on, for that matter. Most of my friends know that I'm into WS and they don't have a problem with it. Sure, I have to endure the occasional wisecrack from them regarding it but I'm not the only one who deals with that as friends that are into BBWs, bondage and strictly ass play are also subject to the occasional remark.

I have a simple policy that is whatever you're into, whatever goes on behind closed doors (with a consenting partner) is none of my business and something I have no right to judge you on. If I extend this courtesy to you, I expect it in return. While I may have lucked out with understanding friends, I don't think less of anyone who engages in an act that I don't find arousing.

[quietpr11]

Under normal circumstances the 'get to know you' first is fine. But in the field that we are looking in, normal accepted sexual practices go out the window. As a fella looking for a woman you wouldn't like it if someone persuaded you to 'take it slowly' for a couple of months only to find out when it comes down to the sex, that she is a tranny..... You see it enough on the Jerry Springer show to see that this sort of thing goes on.

Thats why I want to know everything about a woman before I get too deep. By that I mean, before the third date because I would be expecting to shag her by that time.

Now enough people are going to dispute the way I operate but there again - I get the pissy women and you don't - who's way works best.

You disgust me, KP. I hope you enjoy the realization when you're 75 that you've never really loved or been loved in return and that sex amounted to absolutely NOTHING for you in the end...nothing but a long line of meaningless encounters and pathetic soulless bleariness.

Third date, hm? Expecting to shag on the third date...EXPECTING...to shag on the third date. Pathetic.

And you're not correct regarding who gets what...I think I've mentioned that I'm seriously involved and that she is quite open to my proclivities. And you know what? I think I'll enjoy every moment of wet fun I might have with her some day all the more because it's HER...and not just some girl.