Letting others know you are into WS.

[quietpr11]

I agree with KingPlant (as difficult as that is to type) and Maria on this one. There is no reason for us to be closeted. If you're still in the closet, you're a part of the problem. I know I've pointed out before how ridiculous it is that gays are out of the closet and we're still in. I think what gay guys do is disgusting. And there's surely gay guys who think what I do is disgusting. But the bottom line is it that it really doesn't matter what other people think.

My friends all know about my desires. As for girlfriends, I've told them all, but only three have agreed to play along. And my AB friend was the only one that was really into it and really understood. There is a major lack of females out there who are willing to play along, and who are concerned about their boyfriends/husbands being truly satisfied.

I don't have a problem with this notion...I disagree with KingPlant's assumptions about the reasons some choose to keep these kinds of details to a very few other people. I think it's dangerous and (at best) foolhardy to assume you know the motivation behind why someone makes their choices - and what's worse...he not only makes those assumptions...he places himself as some icon of superior being for choosing differently.

Frankly, I think we pee enthusiasts are never going to be accepted as healthy sexual beings who simply enjoy something different if we have boors like KP around giving us the reputation for being obsessive and sex-crazed and unconcerned with the feelings of others.

I will however, disagree with your contention, Peevert, that people who don't broadcast their love of pee to the world are "part of the problem"...most people don't want to know what their friends want to do in the bedroom. I don't know what kind of friends you have, but my friends tend to prefer NOT to picture me having sex. I'm for doing whatever you and your partner want to do to make each other happy (once you've actually formed a real connection) but I'm not for forcing everyone else to picture stuff they might not like to picture and I'm not for forcing everyone else to love the things you do. You shouldn't need society to shower you with love and praise for your sexual interests...if you were really confident in who you were, you would be happy to live without external validation.

[KingPlant]

You disgust me, KP. I hope you enjoy the realization when you're 75 that you've never really loved or been loved in return and that sex amounted to absolutely NOTHING for you in the end...nothing but a long line of meaningless encounters and pathetic soulless bleariness.

Third date, hm? Expecting to shag on the third date...EXPECTING...to shag on the third date. Pathetic.

And you're not correct regarding who gets what...I think I've mentioned that I'm seriously involved and that she is quite open to my proclivities. And you know what? I think I'll enjoy every moment of wet fun I might have with her some day all the more because it's HER...and not just some girl.

So what you are telling me is that you are envious of me at being open in a relationship. As it happens I met a girl when I was 16 and found out before I even asked her out that she had a tendency to wet herself when she laughed. I got told this by her sister who was sitting next to her on the bus when we first met.

I asked her out on the strength of that one thing. I thought it the time 'if she wets herself when she laughs then I think she might just do it at other times'. I also thought as everyone does, She might be the one but we will have to see what type of personality she has. It so happened that she was a fantastic girl and we dated for two and a half years. As for the love of a woman. I believed that she loved me as much as I loved her and that's all I wanted.

However, like all relationships with young people, it didn't last. We argued only once but she thought I had cheated on her and I couldn't convince her that I hadn't so we split up.

Five years later I married a woman who I thought I loved and although she wasn't into wetting like my first girlfriend she would do it occasionally for me. That was until we got married. After four years married we had kids and that totally ended any wet sex forever with that woman. I stayed married to her because we had children together and I didn't want to split up the family but it was useless. However you guys look at this wetting thing is your business but I NEED pee to turn me on. I still stayed married because I thought the love of this woman was enough, but it wasn't. We got divorced because I found another woman who loved wetting herself and I had an affair with her.

The break up of my marriage caused me an amazing amount of money. I lost my house that I had built with my own hands. I lost my business and all my income. So I do know what I am talking about and that's why I insist that any future partner would have to be into pissing before I would even consider a relationship with them.

For the next fifteen years I went through a plethora of women who said they were into peeing but dried up after a period of time when they thought they could turn me away from pissing. This is what I have found out about women. They tell you what you want to hear to get you in their clutches.

Now - three years ago I got a message from an old friend on facebook - guess who - my very first girlfriend. We got back together after 30 odd years and are now just arranging to get married.

Now I know this woman loves me and I love her just like I did when I was sixteen. I do know what love is but I also know what love isn't. Lots of women say they love you because you are providing what they want. Stop providing and see if they will take up the mantle of provider and see how long you stay together. Now I am talking generally here and I am pretty sure that 50% of the people reading this will have a happy marriage but does it include the type of sex you REALLY like or is that only occasionally when your missus realises you are almost begging her to pee for you. You shouldn't need to have to ask. With the right woman it will be there whenever you like, because she is as much up for it as you are.

I have my good lady sat reading this and she is in agreement with me. She had the same thing only in reverse. She tried to get her men to pee on her and they wouldn't but she thought it was just something she did with me all those years ago.

When she contacted me one of the burning questions she wanted to know was "Was I still into pissing like when we were younger?" This question got asked of me within half an hour of chatting on msn. We both felt the same about each other as we did when we were kids and when she came to see me I showed her that she was not the only one into peeing and believe it or not, she had no idea how big this sexual practice was. I showed her this forum and a few wetting websites just to prove it.

I am now getting on in life and if I do make it to 70 I will be with someone who likes EXACTLY the same thing as I do, both in the bedroom and life in general. She looks after me and caters for my every need, as I do for her.

I am truly a lucky man but that doesn't change my opinions. I do believe there are women out there but they need hunting down. I do understand the feelings of others when it comes to relationships but I also take into account MY feelings when starting a relationship.

With my history I do believe I can speak with some authority on this subject as it has been a major thing in my life for the last 40 years. In other words.

"Been there, done that, bought the Tshirt"

[quietpr11]

Why would anything I have said lead you to believe I am (ho ho) envious of you. I find your empty string of "bang it and run" relationships sad. I am in love with someone who, after actually getting to know her, I told (slowly and bit by bit) about my interest in pee as a part of sex and who reacted to this information with fascination. Why on EARTH would any of that lead you to believe that I'm jealous? You lack reading comprehension skills, KP.

[KingPlant]

Why would anything I have said lead you to believe I am (ho ho) envious of you. I find your empty string of "bang it and run" relationships sad. I am in love with someone who, after actually getting to know her, I told (slowly and bit by bit) about my interest in pee as a part of sex and who reacted to this information with fascination. Why on EARTH would any of that lead you to believe that I'm jealous? You lack reading comprehension skills, KP.

Now here we go again. I have given you a full run down of my life and the pitfalls I have suffered. All I am saying is - You need to be honest in any relationship FROM THE START. It's no good bringing it in bit by bit in case you lose the woman. If she is not into the same things you are into then why carry on with the relationship. My 'hit and run' attitude has not done me any harm, whereas, the 'hang on and wait attitude' I had with my first wife cost me everything. I think you have a lack of reading comprehension skills.

Moreover, you have a big confidence problem if you are afraid to discuss the things you like sexually. You tell me you have introduced the fact that you like wetting during sex and said she was facinated but you didn't mention if she has participated. I told you that all my women started off doing what I liked because they wanted something from me in return.

By not telling them at the start you are being devious. Get it out in the open and stop being scared. I think you told her 'bit by bit' because you don't have the confidence and balls to tell all at once.

Don't judge others by your standards. I bet you believe in God too.

[quietpr11]

Yo have it backwards. Did it ever occur to you that some of us might think that our sexual interests are just one element in a relationship? There's more to life than your fetishes and sexual thrills...and there's much mroe to finding the right relationship than whether she'll like every single thing that you do in bed. You care FIRST about how good the sex will be for you and THEN about whether you even want to be with a woman. I care FIRST about whether I want to be with a woman and THEN about whether there are enough areas of common sexual interest to pursue it that far.

And as I've stated to you before in this thread and others...my way works better than yours for bringing a woman INTO the fetish who might not have considered it before or even been aware it existed. It increases my odds of being with a woman who I actually love and who also will share in my sexual passions. Women don't like to be confronted with every detail of your sexual personality on the third date...it makes them less likely to be open to NEW ideas. All you'll get are the women who were already interested...I have seen my way actually bring about a new interest...that to me is much MUCH more exciting.

[KingPlant]

Yo have it backwards. Did it ever occur to you that some of us might think that our sexual interests are just one element in a relationship? There's more to life than your fetishes and sexual thrills...and there's much mroe to finding the right relationship than whether she'll like every single thing that you do in bed. You care FIRST about how good the sex will be for you and THEN about whether you even want to be with a woman. I care FIRST about whether I want to be with a woman and THEN about whether there are enough areas of common sexual interest to pursue it that far.

And as I've stated to you before in this thread and others...my way works better than yours for bringing a woman INTO the fetish who might not have considered it before or even been aware it existed. It increases my odds of being with a woman who I actually love and who also will share in my sexual passions. Women don't like to be confronted with every detail of your sexual personality on the third date...it makes them less likely to be open to NEW ideas. All you'll get are the women who were already interested...I have seen my way actually bring about a new interest...that to me is much MUCH more exciting.

I am sorry but I strongly disagree with you in a respectful way. I have tried your way and it didn't work. I married at 24 years old. My then wife told me she was prepared to have a go at it. I didn't mention it on the first months of going with her and I had been sexually active with her for a while before I brought it to her attention. She did give it a try and did it a few time while we were courting but it dwindled off when we got married and stopped after having the children.

I was courting her for 4 years before marrying her and she accommodated my requests from time to time during that period. I did think about how she felt on the topic and thought it best to try to get her to do it with as little inconvenience to her. It ended up me begging her to just pee through her knickers just before having a shower but even that was too much for her.

Now to you, sex might just be a passing thing in your marriage but to me it seals a relationship. How is the best way to show you love someone. To me it is to make them happy and that includes in the bedroom. I will not deny that I could not continue with a relationship if sex was just a passing thing, like my first marriage. I had to either accept just normal sex for the rest of my life or get out and start again with someone new.

It was my miserable failed marriage that my attitude changed. I am not saying, and never have said, that sex is the overriding condition to a relationship but to me it is a major consideration.

Look at it like this. Bragging or not (however you want to look at it) my attitude has not done me any harm and I am with a true wetting partner. I haven't had to persuade her or introduce her into anything, she is already one step ahead of me. She has missed out on wet sex for so many years she wants to piss on me all the time and I LOVE IT.

On top of that she also loves me. I know she loves me by the attention she gives me and the way she cares about me. I love and care for her and respect her feelings. I can't see your point when you say I am only in it for the sex. If that was true then why did I ask my great lady to marry me. I did that not because she wets herself for me, I did it because I love every bit of her. I like her attitude to life and the way she conducts herself. She is respectful and loving towards me. The only difference I can see is that she pisses on me in bed. Don't you think I have got it made??

[quietpr11]

I think, with all due respect, KP, that while particular outcome may be good, your method leads to a greater level of unhappiness for more people worldwide (and not just in our fetish). Don't get me wrong...I wouldn't have continued in my relationship with my current girl if we didn't demonstrate compatibility in the bedroom, nor was I suggesting that sex should be "a passing thing"...but on a list of the ways in which I show that I love my girlfriend, or that she shows she loves me, sex is about 12th most important...behind taking time to make sure she feels appreciated, making sure she gets to her doctor's appointments, helping her apply for jobs (just got her Ph.D. and is now looking for gainful employment), working hard to keep myself healthy so that I can be with her for a long time to come, saving money to take care of her when she is in need, working hard to further my own career so that I can help provide for a family, planning my future family with her...do you see my issue here? I understand not wanting to stay in a relationship where it doesn't seem like your partner is compatible with you, but a relationship should be based first and foremost on personal compatibility (of character...not of sexual desire...though that is important too).

A woman is not a car...you shouldn't be treating them like a commodity that needs to be test driven. Sexual compatibility should grow organically from emotional intimacy. It sounds like your relationship had deeper problems than just a lack of sexual interest, but I don't know you well enough to judge that with certainty. All I'm saying is that, while I think a certain level of sexual compatibility must exist before the relationship can go forward, I think that most of the time, when problems arise in the bedroom...it's not about the bedroom...there is something else wrong that holds back your intimacy.

[wetfan]

"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."

Nietzsche

I think at this point it's, well, pointless to continue this discussion. Everyone is different. KingPlant are you tactless and harsh and insulting at times (based on your replies and signature). I think that rubs people the wrong way and put them on the defensive when talking with you. I also think you don't really give a shit about that. You are who you are and at this stage in your life, that isn't going to change. You're not here to make friends and that's fine.

Like the fox and the scorpion, we should all know what we're getting into by now when speaking with KingPlant and not let it get to us. Of course you should discuss your point of view, but when you get to the point of feeling angry, simply let it go and move on. Perhaps to a nice wetting.

[KingPlant]

I think at this point it's, well, pointless to continue this discussion. Everyone is different. KingPlant are you tactless and harsh and insulting at times (based on your replies and signature). I think that rubs people the wrong way and put them on the defensive when talking with you. I also think you don't really give a shit about that. You are who you are and at this stage in your life, that isn't going to change. You're not here to make friends and that's fine.

Like the fox and the scorpion, we should all know what we're getting into by now when speaking with KingPlant and not let it get to us. Of course you should discuss your point of view, but when you get to the point of feeling angry, simply let it go and move on. Perhaps to a nice wetting.

Again you are getting the wrong idea. All I have been saying all along is "Be honest at the start of the relationship". I also put sex much higher up on the list of priorities.

I do know how to care, 9 years ago today I buried my mother. At the time I lived with her and my father because he was unable to look after her. She had motor neuron disease. That is a horrible illness for anyone to get and the carer of someone with such an illness needs compassion in bucket loads.

I am not heartless and hard when I discuss what I like. I don't expect everyone to like what I like but the person I settled down with had to love wetting as much as I do to make sure the same thing didn't happen to me a second time.

I have been very fortunate to have got back with my first love and am more than happy with the way things are with me now.

This thread started by me informing this forum that gay people have an indication what they are into sexually with regard to WS. I just wanted to know why the hetrosexuals don't have a similar thing. I have my answer and it's very simple. You are all scared to admit it to anyone and have to sneak your way into telling your prospective partners.

You MUST think when you start dating someone 'I hope she likes pissing' but yet won't tell her until she declares her love for you. This is totally unfair to the woman concerned.

As I explained, I sit next to my partner and she reads the board as well and thinks it unfair that you would keep something as important as that until you feel "safe" to tell her. I know why you do it. If you wait until she is well and truly loving you so if she doesn't like it she is less likely to leave you and even less likely to tell anyone after courting you for six months.

I don't even think any of you would write about it in a poll of sexual interests. I think you are more afraid to come out than gay people.

Peevert is like me in this respect and I respect him for that. At least he has the balls to tell when he meets someone. I think it's better to tell and chance losing them than it is to keep it to yourself and not enjoy what really turns you on.

I definately don't believe any of you that come on here saying you can take it or leave it - why are you on here then....

What you should be saying is - my partner is not into it that much but I love her so much I don't want to pressure her into sex so I'll just come on here and wank to pissing movies, then crib to others because they have it better than you do.

Last thing - I am not tactless and crass - I am honest and truthful.

[Apemantus]

Has it occurred to either of Kingplant or QuietPR that perhaps their different characters and lifestyles mean they find different types of girls attractive? Kingplant clearly resides on the chav side of the tracks, QuietPR no doubt in a laboratory somewhere.

Guess what, if it works for you, great, shut the fuck up and enjoy your life. If it doesn't, figure out where you are going wrong and make the change. But perhaps everyone can start by realising that humans are DIFFERENT. There is no ONE WAY to do anything, so stop pretending you have the answers for anyone other than yourself, if you even have those.

But as KP and QPR are both obviously so sure of their success, good for them, now shut the fuck up!

[KingPlant]

Has it occurred to either of Kingplant or QuietPR that perhaps their different characters and lifestyles mean they find different types of girls attractive? Kingplant clearly resides on the chav side of the tracks, QuietPR no doubt in a laboratory somewhere.

Guess what, if it works for you, great, shut the fuck up and enjoy your life. If it doesn't, figure out where you are going wrong and make the change. But perhaps everyone can start by realising that humans are DIFFERENT. There is no ONE WAY to do anything, so stop pretending you have the answers for anyone other than yourself, if you even have those.

But as KP and QPR are both obviously so sure of their success, good for them, now shut the fuck up!

Excuse me but I have mentioned what TYPE of woman I am interested in. I would HATE to have a chav for a girlfriend so why do you imply that of me.

Again, let me reiterate what the thread was originally about. Would YOU wear an indication you are into pissing for anyone else who was into pissing like gay people do??

If not why not?

[Razz]

I had no idea what a "chav" was until now. I'm getting a nice glimpse into UK culture here if nothing else.

[Apemantus]

Excuse me but I have mentioned what TYPE of woman I am interested in. I would HATE to have a chav for a girlfriend so why do you imply that of me.

Again, let me reiterate what the thread was originally about. Would YOU wear an indication you are into pissing for anyone else who was into pissing like gay people do??

If not why not?

Personally no simply because I have no need of it, I have never found it difficult to find a partner, nor have I had problems getting partners to indulge my fantasies and me theirs. But I guess if I did have difficulty, I have no objection to the concept.

As for your choice of partner, let's just hope your girlfriend is more into chavs than you, seeing as they have one for a boyfriend!

[KingPlant]

Personally no simply because I have no need of it, I have never found it difficult to find a partner, nor have I had problems getting partners to indulge my fantasies and me theirs. But I guess if I did have difficulty, I have no objection to the concept.

As for your choice of partner, let's just hope your girlfriend is more into chavs than you, seeing as they have one for a boyfriend!

You obviously don't know me and I doubt you know what a Chav is anyway. I have seen previous posts from you and I think you are just up your own arse.

Give an insult - take an insult.

[quietpr11]

I think at this point it's, well, pointless to continue this discussion. Everyone is different. KingPlant are you tactless and harsh and insulting at times (based on your replies and signature). I think that rubs people the wrong way and put them on the defensive when talking with you. I also think you don't really give a shit about that. You are who you are and at this stage in your life, that isn't going to change. You're not here to make friends and that's fine.

Like the fox and the scorpion, we should all know what we're getting into by now when speaking with KingPlant and not let it get to us. Of course you should discuss your point of view, but when you get to the point of feeling angry, simply let it go and move on. Perhaps to a nice wetting.

There's a reason I detest Nietzsche and the entire brand of modern philosophy dubbed moral relativism. I think there IS a "correct" way and that none of us hit it...that comes to you from the Platonic worldview to whcih I attempt to subscribe (imperfectly as all humans are limited). I don't think this notion that some of us find one system of morality that works and others find another to be valid. To defeat the logic of moral relativism you need to ask but one question. Was Adolph Hitler an evil man? If your answer to that question is sane (i.e....you said yes he was) the you acknowledge that some absolute morality must exist. The fact that none of us can possibly have perfected it with our fallen nature does not remove the existence of tghat higher truth.

Nor does it mean I can't strive to live for that higher truth, even if I sometimes fail. And that includes speaking up when I believe a philosophy to be harmful in some way. KingPlant may have gotten a positive worldly outcome from his method of dating, complete with expectations of sex on the third date and condemnations of those of us who would prefer to be more discrete about our sexual desires with all but our most intimate relations, but he is a part of a larger cultural movement that I think is doing more harm than good. I think it lowers our quality of life to reduce relationships to a search for the best possible sex or even to make that the top priority in selecting a partner.