a brief inquiry.....

[georgewt]

So while watching a movie about some guys who turned internet porn into millions I realized something.... With my background in film and web development, I could probably (with the help of maybe craigslist or something haha) come up with some kickass content. I'm thinking something like a US version of the giga desperation tournaments. Although all of this would be easier said than done, do you folks think there might be genuine interest in something like this? I really have no idea how to get it off the ground and market/distribute but I know for sure I could produce the content. What are some of your thoughts guys?

[Aloo]

So while watching a movie about some guys who turned internet porn into millions I realized something.... With my background in film and web development, I could probably (with the help of maybe craigslist or something haha) come up with some kickass content. I'm thinking something like a US version of the giga desperation tournaments. Although all of this would be easier said than done, do you folks think there might be genuine interest in something like this? I really have no idea how to get it off the ground and market/distribute but I know for sure I could produce the content. What are some of your thoughts guys?

Erm, I think if you look around the website you posted on you'll see it's already being done............

[tinkletown]

I think there would definitely be interest if it was well done. Sure, there's plenty of content out there, but not a lot of good content.

I'd be all for someone with a film development backgroung to attempt any sort of desperation/wetting video. It amazes me that out of all the english speaking sites in this fetish, not one of them really tries to make a decent video from a production standpoint. Simple things like editing, basic acting directions, and better clothing choices would go a long way.

I think I could make some half decent content myself, but if I knew any hot girls willing to let me film them wetting themselves, I wouldn't be on this site.

[georgewt]

I think there would definitely be interest if it was well done. Sure, there's plenty of content out there, but not a lot of good content.

I'd be all for someone with a film development backgroung to attempt any sort of desperation/wetting video. It amazes me that out of all the english speaking sites in this fetish, not one of them really tries to make a decent video from a production standpoint. Simple things like editing, basic acting directions, and better clothing choices would go a long way.

I think I could make some half decent content myself, but if I knew any hot girls willing to let me film them wetting themselves, I wouldn't be on this site.

This is what I was thinking as well.

[georgewt]

Erm, I think if you look around the website you posted on you'll see it's already being done............

You're probably absolutely right, I'm still navigating my way around here since the site changed so perhaps I posted in err. If so kindly point me to the page/section on this site where US companies are producing Giga style desperation contest videos....

[Manchineel]

I am a film school graduate and posted something very similar on this site a while back. It was pretty much the consensus that it's too expensive to make quality content, and the margins just aren't there to make it a good investment.

[Nobody]

I think advertisements for this stuff would go a long way; a lot of people find this fetish strange, but if there are ads for this (on TV like the late-night commercials or in adult magazines, let alone on the internet) it will be a lot 'closer to home'. I think it wil attract a lot more people to the content, and eventually to sites like this.

But, something that is crucial with this fetish, one must be able to out it without (house)mates finding out, so it must be something that can be hidden easily. I have no idea how to do that, apart from the paying for downloads which is already used. If there is some way to realize this with easier access, it would be great.

It would have to be a big company probably, to make it big. To make people realize it's not that strange. Although a lot of people might be put off by the idea, they will start thinking about it and some might discover something they never knew. I genuinely think that if everyone was confronted with this fetish in a really sexual manner, the scene would become really big.

Such a company would have to be willing and able to make a lot of losses before they make their long-term profits, which aren't even secured yet. So it would be a risky business decision to do this, and I think that's what stopping this.

[PottyDance]

suggestions and preferences

I have some suggestions and personal preferences in case you go ahead with the idea.

- Use normal lighting, but include subtle back lighting to help show the stream
- Sound. Love the hissing. Don't cover up with background noise or music.
- Don't zoom during the wetting. I love to see her face. If you must have a closeup, use a second camera.
- Anger vs Whiny. Desperation videos are usually too "victimy", with lots of helpless whining. In real life, the desperate person is usually angry about the lack of a place to pee. Just my opinion, but anger+desperation is sexier then whiny+desperation. Let her be assertive about the injustice of no bathrooms. Let her be pissed off. A little post wetting whiny works. Just a little.
- Older. I like older women 20-40's.
- Nationality. I prefer North American women, UK, Western Europeans or Australians. The East Europeans and Asians seem like (and may be) exploited hookers.
- Dress in normal, every day clothing. Slutty heels, or ragged jeans seems fake.
- Attitude. A little embarrassment OK, but deep humiliation does not do it for me. Later its nice if she feels good about the wetting.
- Tenderness. Post accident tenderness, especially between two women, maybe with some kissing.
- Pay the models well. Treat them kindly. Make sure they think a wetting vid would be fun and they are not doing pee desperation because of economic desperation.
- Him wetting? I'm not into men, but women's reactions to men wetting are a turn on too. Like the idea of turning the tables. Maybe him and her wettings?

I'm no expert. This is all just a wish list. Best of luck.

[Consch]

A few thoughts:

First, I personally would indeed be interested in seeing new and different desperation videos.

Second, have you checked out bound2burst? I think that site has videos similar to the type being suggested. If you are aiming to create something new, think about how it will be different from bound2burst videos.

Third, I think that one way of appealing to a wider audience would be not to label the production as "porn" or "fetish". I think that my own interests, for example, are so mild that anyone who didn't have the fetish would not consider a video of them to be porn unless it was labeled as such. Such a person could watch a video without the label for its non-sexual entertainment value.

Finally, I would like to put forward what I think my favourite type of watersports video would be. This information may be useless, since, as the filmmaker, you probably want to and should film your own ideas, but I thought I'd provide it just in case. I like desperation, but there are already a decent number of desperation videos available. I also like women laughing at someone in distress, so I think I would enjoy a video where a woman who does NOT need to pee is laughing at, teasing, and tickling a woman (or a man) who does. Even better if the laughing woman has arranged for the victim to have to pee through devious means that are revealed suddenly. There could even be a group of laughing women and/or a group of people who have to pee, although I realize that adding actors quickly makes the film more expensive to make.

[PottyDance]

good ideas

I like your ideas. Women's amused reactions to men (or women or both) that are desperate/wetting is a turn-on.

Imagine tables turned. The men's room line is way too long due to some "potty parity" rule. Desperate, he joins the ladies line, begging for cuts. They let him in line, but no cuts! The line inches slowly forward. The women look on, commenting on how he should now understand what women have to endure every time they go to big events. As he nears the bathroom door, he starts to lose it. The fun begins.

I also like the idea of the people observing the wetting gradually becoming sympathetic with the man/woman that had the accident, and helps the wetter discretely make it home. Kind of a rescue from embarrassment situation. Later to be rewarded for his/her gallantry with a kiss and...?

A few thoughts:

First, I personally would indeed be interested in seeing new and different desperation videos.

Second, have you checked out bound2burst? I think that site has videos similar to the type being suggested. If you are aiming to create something new, think about how it will be different from bound2burst videos.

Third, I think that one way of appealing to a wider audience would be not to label the production as "porn" or "fetish". I think that my own interests, for example, are so mild that anyone who didn't have the fetish would not consider a video of them to be porn unless it was labeled as such. Such a person could watch a video without the label for its non-sexual entertainment value.

Finally, I would like to put forward what I think my favourite type of watersports video would be. This information may be useless, since, as the filmmaker, you probably want to and should film your own ideas, but I thought I'd provide it just in case. I like desperation, but there are already a decent number of desperation videos available. I also like women laughing at someone in distress, so I think I would enjoy a video where a woman who does NOT need to pee is laughing at, teasing, and tickling a woman (or a man) who does. Even better if the laughing woman has arranged for the victim to have to pee through devious means that are revealed suddenly. There could even be a group of laughing women and/or a group of people who have to pee, although I realize that adding actors quickly makes the film more expensive to make.

[georgewt]

I have some suggestions and personal preferences in case you go ahead with the idea.

- Use normal lighting, but include subtle back lighting to help show the stream
- Sound. Love the hissing. Don't cover up with background noise or music.
- Don't zoom during the wetting. I love to see her face. If you must have a closeup, use a second camera.
- Anger vs Whiny. Desperation videos are usually too "victimy", with lots of helpless whining. In real life, the desperate person is usually angry about the lack of a place to pee. Just my opinion, but anger+desperation is sexier then whiny+desperation. Let her be assertive about the injustice of no bathrooms. Let her be pissed off. A little post wetting whiny works. Just a little.
- Older. I like older women 20-40's.
- Nationality. I prefer North American women, UK, Western Europeans or Australians. The East Europeans and Asians seem like (and may be) exploited hookers.
- Dress in normal, every day clothing. Slutty heels, or ragged jeans seems fake.
- Attitude. A little embarrassment OK, but deep humiliation does not do it for me. Later its nice if she feels good about the wetting.
- Tenderness. Post accident tenderness, especially between two women, maybe with some kissing.
- Pay the models well. Treat them kindly. Make sure they think a wetting vid would be fun and they are not doing pee desperation because of economic desperation.
- Him wetting? I'm not into men, but women's reactions to men wetting are a turn on too. Like the idea of turning the tables. Maybe him and her wettings?

I'm no expert. This is all just a wish list. Best of luck.

great suggestions. I won't be shooting any male wettings though haha.

[georgewt]

There's also not enough voyeurism/secret filming. Only Russian and Japanese.

yeah I'm going nowhere near that. mostly because it's illegal as hell haha.

[georgewt]

A few thoughts:

First, I personally would indeed be interested in seeing new and different desperation videos.

Second, have you checked out bound2burst? I think that site has videos similar to the type being suggested. If you are aiming to create something new, think about how it will be different from bound2burst videos.

Third, I think that one way of appealing to a wider audience would be not to label the production as "porn" or "fetish". I think that my own interests, for example, are so mild that anyone who didn't have the fetish would not consider a video of them to be porn unless it was labeled as such. Such a person could watch a video without the label for its non-sexual entertainment value.

Finally, I would like to put forward what I think my favourite type of watersports video would be. This information may be useless, since, as the filmmaker, you probably want to and should film your own ideas, but I thought I'd provide it just in case. I like desperation, but there are already a decent number of desperation videos available. I also like women laughing at someone in distress, so I think I would enjoy a video where a woman who does NOT need to pee is laughing at, teasing, and tickling a woman (or a man) who does. Even better if the laughing woman has arranged for the victim to have to pee through devious means that are revealed suddenly. There could even be a group of laughing women and/or a group of people who have to pee, although I realize that adding actors quickly makes the film more expensive to make.

The problem I have with B2B stuff is that it's so staged and sooooooo badly acted that those 2 things alone are enough to turn me off from what I'm watching. That's why I suggested something like the Desp. Tournament stuff. Realistically in the end you know they're all going to go, but when...how....and all of the desperation leading up to it has a more genuine feel to me and thus is a far greater turn on.

[tinkletown]

I am a film school graduate and posted something very similar on this site a while back. It was pretty much the consensus that it's too expensive to make quality content, and the margins just aren't there to make it a good investment.

The consensus of whom? Wouldn't a better quality product sell better? I personally very rarely spend money on these sites because the videos just aren't worth it. I can see how it wouldn't make a good investment if you're just starting out, as you'd probably be losing money for a while before you got enough of a following to start making money. However, the established companies don't really have that excuse. There's several things they could do to make their videos better without adding much to the production costs.

[Manchineel]

Wouldn't a better quality product sell better?

No. In fact, it's likely that a better quality product would actually sell worse because of the increase in price.

the established companies don't really have that excuse. There's several things they could do to make their videos better without adding much to the production costs.

Yeah, all the established companies are run by morons. Either that or what you think won't add much to production costs will actually add quite a bit to productions costs, and they're not exactly raking in the dough as it is.

What you have to understand is that porn (even really niche fetish porn) has become highly competitive since the Internet became prevalent. Most people look at all the porn they care to and never pay a cent. You even said yourself that you rarely pay for content, but I bet you look at it. Maybe, as you imply, you would be willing to pay if it was higher quality, but how much are you willing to pay? You mean you're willing to pay what the sites currently charge and get higher quality content? Sorry, that doesn't cut it. In order to justify putting in the effort to make high quality content, a site would not just have to believe that they can cover the costs of doing it (which is not at all certain) but that it would actually cause a substantial increase in profits. With the current market where there is so much free content out there, it's just not a wise business decision.