A Question Concerning Copy Righted Material / For Patches

[Dusty Harold]

Patches ,

I would like to know . As well as others here do to ;

Question : Can you define what is considered a violation on a copy - righted video When someone ;

1. When someone has Posted only a short version of a of a full length video instead of the full video . Is it still a violation ?

2. What can be legally shown of a copy - righted video on another website

3. Can you give an example of what's the correct way in which a
copy - righted video can be shared online ? .

I know you have touched on this before . That you are still working against piracy of what you have and others have produced over the years . I just want clear guidelines at to what's acceptable and was is not . In sharing things online now .

Thank You

Dusty Harold

[Patches]

Dusty (and others concerned about what constitutes "fair use" of copyrighted material),

You can find the official definition of "fair use" of copyrighted material at the US Government Copyright Office at http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html and as you can see, there are some fuzzy areas about the law.

In answer to your specific questions, the issue always comes up about how much of someone else's work can be used before it is considered a copyright violation. Or with reference to video clips, how much can be shown before it violates copyright law. The first thing to consider is what is the purpose of the posting. In the words of the copyright law, is it "a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.” Almost all of the clips I see posted DO NOT fall into this fair use exception clause.

So, my clear answer to question 1 is that even a short version of a full length video is a copyright violation unless the person posting it has the permission of the copyright holder. I think it was Peevert (and he can correct me if I am wrong) who posted a rather long clip from the Patches 25 video one time and after the fact, he asked here on the forum if it was okay or if he should take it down. Well, he should have asked before he posted it but I was flattered that he asked and acknowledged the source so I said I didn't care since we were not selling that material on DVD. So that post of copyrighted material was okay.

A clear answer to question 2 is that nothing can legally be shown of a copyrighted video on another website. That said, I think most video producers would be flattered if a picture captured from one of their videos was shown on another website and the source of the picture was acknowledged. At least I would never have a problem with that and I don't think anyone else would either.

A clear answer to question 3 is that you can share any portion of a copyrighted video online if you first ask permission of the copyright holder and explain what you want to use and why. If what you want to do is reasonable, I think permission will be given. By reasonable, I mean that your use of the material is not going to undermine the sales of the copyrighted material. None of the video producers I know are getting rich. In fact, some go out of business because they cannot cover the cost of making new material. This is why we all work at stopping piracy because it hurts all of us financially. We all know that there are some people who will never buy videos or video clips and they are satisfied with the clips they can find on various *tubes of giggling girls who can't hold the camera still as they pee or wet themselves. We just don't want to see video producers hurt financially when they spend money to make high quality videos to sell to those who want to buy and collect this material.

[Dusty Harold]

A Very Well Defined Definition

Patches ,

I'm ever so grateful for Your answering my questions on the use of copy - righted material . Namely the videos you have filmed over the years . That are still sold at Patches Place . Plus the videos that were produced by producers that are represented at Patches Place as well.
I do Hope that everyone will at least read , understand and comment on this issue here . Because that is why I don't wish to post what I have in my collection of Patches own videos . Plus the many other videos I have from the many producers . That Patches Place represents on that website . I respect the rights of all the film producers that strive to film video clips and full length DVDs . In filming scenarios we all would love to have done . That we all fantasize about in our many dreams we have at night and even during the day at times . To rob these producers in pirating what they had made . By down loading a free full length copy / even a short clip of one of their copy - righted videos is wrong
Ask before doing it . It might help in the long run . To allow these film producers to continue on making the videos . We all would love to see and watch in the future .

Thank You , Patches for sharing that with us all ! ! !

Dusty Harold

[TVGuy]

On the topic of copyright and fair use, I just wanted to add a bit to what Patches said.

Everything Patches said is correct, but I feel it should be noted that fair use is a legal defense. Personally I feel it is better not to be in a position where I have to defend myself.

I work with a copyright attorney for the content I produce. According to him, when deciding fair use, the court will ask how necessary the inclusion of the copyrighted material is. For example, you may post a copyrighted video believing that your purpose in posting it is for review and criticism. However, the court may decide that the review and criticism could have been accomplished just as well without including that piece of copyrighted material.

[2prnot2p]

I agree, Harold. The profanity and comment were uncalled for. Sadly, every forum gets flamers at times.

As for copyrighted videos being shown on other sites, Patches is correct. It's all "stealing" but if a webmaster gets the permission of the owner and posts a text like, "Courtesy of Patches Place," it's okay, of course.

Many pee webmasters in the past have simply bought content to feature on their sites - pics & vids. This solves the problem for those who do not have the resources, etc., to make their own content.

Lastly, I thought your question was a good one. Nice post, as always, my friend.

[mysteron]

God damn dusty. I am so sick of you drooling over and kissing every females ass on this site. It is truly disgusting. Have some self respect.

Leave him alone gobshite. He's not doing any harm, and you don't HAVE to read his posts if they offend you so much.
Harold never shows anything but a respectful attitude in his posting. Refreshingly rare in this day and age. You could learn a thing or two in that regard by the looks of it.

[Dusty Harold]

2prnot2p & Mysteron ,

I do appreciate what the both of you had replied to on this thread . I just wanted to let those who didn't quite understand . The right way of sharing good produced videos & video clips and the wrong way to do it . These film producers need to be given their fair share of credit for making videos . like they have done . To help encouarage them to film more videos . That are made from many of our own dreams at times . To not give them proper credit for doing so . It will make it harder to produce such videos in the future .

What , Moosehead 68 said was out of line and vulgar . To even take GOD"S name in vain like that is wrong . That he should be warned that abusive language on these Message Boards . Shouldn't be tolerated and severely reprimanded , if not banned out right
I do Thank You

Dusty Harold

[bwetfan]

What , Moosehead 68 said was out of line and vulgar . To even take GOD"S name in vain like that is wrong . That he should be warned that abusive language on these Message Boards . Shouldn't be tolerated and severely reprimanded , if not banned out right

Don't act all high and mighty, Dusty - I've seen you use naughty words like "piss" and "pee" all the time here.

[Dusty Harold]

Don't act all high and mighty, Dusty - I've seen you use naughty words like "piss" and "pee" all the time here.

Those words piss and pee are common usage on these Mesage Boards .
Though taking the lord's name in vain . Isn't and should not be allowed . Since it's abusive to use it at all and wrong to do so .

Dusty Harold

[mysteron]

I have no quarrel with you Harold, but I don't think "God" would be very impressed by people masturbating over young women on the internet , So I don't think "taking his name in vain" would be considered worse.
Just a thought....

[bwetfan]

Those words piss and pee are common usage on these Mesage Boards .
Though taking the lord's name in vain . Isn't and should not be allowed . Since it's abusive to use it at all and wrong to do so .

Dusty Harold

You do know I was joking, right?

[shrugs shoulders]

[Dusty Harold]

You do know I was joking, right?

[shrugs shoulders]

Yes , of course I saw the Humor in what you had said !
{ Wink Wink } Plus A Thumbs - Ups as well

Dusty Harold

[moosehead68]

Dusty, anyone who believes in childhood fairytales doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it come to good judgement. You are clearly one of those self righteous people who believes they are above it all. I had a friend who was a cop who thought it was ok when HE drove drunk. Same thing. You do know you will be going to hell, if you believe in such a silly thing since you look at the material on this site. Enjoy it while you can. Even being the teacher's pet won't save you.

[Drying]

Can a mod please close this topic already?

[bwetfan]

Can a mod please close this topic already?

Maybe you should consider using the "report" button.