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I don't want to see her wet?
This may be heresy to publish on this board, but I am going to take the risk:
“I don’t want to see a woman, or any woman, wet herself, or pee on her pants!”
Well not exactly: I am only interested in her wetting if that wetting is because she is simply, physically, unable to contain her pee any longer. Not because she is doing it because she enjoys the sensation of having wet knickers, or she want to see the reaction of males watching her.
When I see an attractive woman, my reaction is often to want to have some more intimate contact with her; to touch her physically to feel the attractive parts of her body, and, I must admit, this makes me feel abnormal in someway, to want so see her in desperate need of urinating, having a pee, wanting to go to the toilet, call it what you like. Why? Knowing something like that about her is to know something private, intimate, something that she would rather keep to herself, maybe like the details of her underwear. How does she feel about this. She has an embarrassing private need to pee, and while this is absolutely natural and everyone needs to pee, this is something that all humans (in the Western World, at least) seem to be conditioned to be ashamed of needing to do. A woman wanting to pee and not being able to find a toilet, will do everything in her power to hide this need from others, in particular strangers and the opposite gender, and it is these actions, not as secret as she would like , that make a desperate woman so attractive to see. And there has to be some action to demonstrate how desperate or urgent her need to pee is. A woman standing, or sitting normally and simply saying in a normal voice “I am absolutely dying to go to the toilet,” is not particularly erotic or alluring. But, is she is crossing her legs, twisting them together and partly doubling over in her struggle to contain her pee, then this is more attractive and erotic. The ultimate is when she has to resort to pressing between her legs with one or preferably, both hands. Probably because she is actually demonstrating how badly she wants to go. If she continues to demonstrate her need in more extreme ways, then she becomes an even more erotic object. How? As a woman becomes more desperate to pee she has to take more extreme measure to hold out. Legs are twisted tighter together and the crouching, or winding down, position is adopted more often to get greater control. From a male point of view, a woman pees from a hole between her legs and to stop her pee coming out, she needs to keep this hole shut as best she can. One way she can do his it to squeeze it shut by keeping he thighs pressed together and thus keeping the hole, between her thighs, closed so no pee can escape. (I know this is not actually, physically, correct, but it is my perception of the action. Nobody has yet been able to explain to me why this should help anyone hold their pee any more that most of the other ‘holding’ actions do.) As her need to pee becomes more urgent, so a woman will resort to more and more extreme ways of holding it, and the more extreme they become the more she will want to hide them. A male in desperate need of a pee has the advantage that he can put his hand in his trouser pocket and grip his penis, something that will help him hold his pee in extreme circumstances. As males learn from childhood, this is something that they think cannot be seen by anyone else watching them. It may not be as secret as they think, but it is the perception that matters, and holding their pee. Alas! A woman has no such secret and effective way of holding herself, so she has to resort to other ways. ‘Sitting on her heel,’ or as some women call it ’ sitting on their foot’ seems to be their most secret way of waiting and, according to some I have spoken to, the most effective. Interestingly, while male ‘pocket-holding’ is virtually universal, female ‘heel-sitting’ seems to be less used and I have spoken to some women who say they have never used this method even though they seem to know that it is a way of holding their pee. Maybe some are not the right build (legs too long?) or have such good control they do not need such assistance, I do not know, and since it is so difficult to detect in a woman in a skirt sitting down I do not know how universal a holding method it is. Information or comments would be welcome. One lady who has been open in he discussion with me has said the she will remove her shoe and press her heel hard into her vaginal opening, when the effect is as good as if she was holding herself as hard as she could
The more desperate a woman becomes the more frantic and drastic her efforts to control herself become and the more erotic these are. Partly they are because I know that she is doing things that all her ‘training’ and ingrained behaviour, tell her not to do them as they are taboo and ‘not nice things to do’ For me to see a woman holding between her legs in desperation is erotic because I know she is only doing this because she wants to pee so desperately that she cannot hold it back by any more discrete method. In the same way, a woman wetting herself deliberately has no attraction, but to see her wetting herself because she cannot hold her pee any longer, is great, because this shows she wants to pee so badly she cannot hold it back any longer even though she is trying with all her strength. A woman who has to squat and pee in some public place is showing the same thing; she is ashamed to do this, but her need to pee is so great she will do anything to be able to go before she wets herself and she does not know of any other way she can wait.
At the risk of being accused of sadism, I admit to liking to see the various actions a woman will try to hold back her pee without letting anyone, who is not expert is noticing such behaviour, know she wants to pee very badly. I assume that over the years a woman builds up a range of waiting techniques, to help her through desperate situations, those with small bladders perhaps becoming more expert at these techniques. Apart from straight forward leg crossing and holding between the legs, techniques I have observed have been; a hand pressed between twisted legs, not ‘crutch holding’ but gripping between the thighs or knees; this seems to work for some women, perhaps when they dare not actually crutch hold. Holding between their legs from behind, not actually pressing on their pee hole but more pressing between their buttocks, something that can be seen in older women or in cartoons from Victorian times. I have seen my older relatives doing this and it seems to me as if it was the acceptable way of ‘crutch holding’ in Victorian times, (perhaps it was not considered so rude to hold from behind as openly from the front? Or perhaps it was more easily kept hidden) Pulling jeans, shorts or underwear tight between the legs is another (discrete?) way of holding, but as done by some women I have seen, it is not so discrete. I once saw a girl wearing shorts, with both hands in her pockets, trying so hard to pull her knickers tight between her legs, that it was obvious to anyone near her that she was frantic to pee. (that she almost ran into the Ladies did not help to hide this!) but modern girls with one hand in their jeans pockets, pulling the seam up between their legs are better at doing this. Modern girls seem less inhibited about admitting to the need to pee, which may be an illusion brought on by their life-style of more casual drinking causing them to need to pee more often (The alcohol would have also lowered their inhibitions about letting other know they urgently need to pee.) and more urgently at times when modern living in the city has caused many public toilets to be closed early at nights ‘for security.’ This seems to be particularly prevalent on the old stand-by of Railway Stations all of which seem to have become ‘Ladies toilet free zones’ after 8 p.m.
Reviewing, for this article, memorable cases of desperation that I had seen, I was surprised to find that many involved women who I would normally have not considered sexually attractive, but became ‘interesting’ because they were obviously in great need of a pee. It seems to me that the chance of seeing a nubile 20 year old in sexy clothes desperate for a pee and contorting herself as she tries to hold on, is most unusual, and that most desperate cases I have seen have been plain, badly dressed girls in their 20’s or middle aged women, often over-weight. While in the normal run of events I would never had given any of them a second glance or second thought, seeing them in reasonably obvious desperate need to pee makes them so much more attractive or memorable. For example; the image of a very much overweight lady of forty-something, wearing an anorak and baggy trousers, in a group looking at a town map and almost crying “Toilets! There must be toilets here somewhere!” in what seemed to be a desperate attempt to get her friends interested in them instead of other attractions of the town, as she scanned the map on which she could not find their actual position and how to get to them. With nobody to help her she went of in the wrong direction, leaving me wondering how much she was going to suffer before she found what she wanted, having left me in no doubt as to how badly she need to find them.
Have you noticed how some women seem to have the (infuriating?) ability of seeming to be able to hold their pee almost indefinitely. Have you met the amazing women who can continue to complain that they are “Dying for a loo” “Absolutely bursting for a pee” while doing nothing erotic to show how badly they need his pee, and do their best to give the impression that they will be unaffected if they did not find a loo at all? There sometimes seem to be other women who when you meet them you almost know they are never going to want to pee ‘badly’ but will just go as and when it suits them. Despite the various fantasies on this web site, I put all ‘super-models’ in this category and most female performers, however much I would like to see them desperately trying to hold their pee. What-ever ‘evidence’ is discovered, I flatly refuse to believe that Britney suffers from a small, or weak, bladder and is in frequent danger of wetting herself. I have known three girls who ‘suffered’ from this ‘disability’ all of whom had made adjustments to their life-style to avoid being caught in desperate situations, and none of whom would have considered a career as a public performer. I have always believed that events early in such a career, or a modelling career, are such that those whose bladders are ‘not up to it’ are discouraged and find a more suitable career.
While it is perfectly acceptable to comment on some aspect an attractive girl seen in public: “Look at those jeans! How does she get into them?” “Those legs- all the way to the promised land!” and so on, Walter Sport has recently noted here that making comments about a girl’s bladder is socially unacceptable, and indeed, who would dare add to the above comments: “What a bladder that girl’s got! Smaller than an egg-cup, fantastic! She has been to pee every 10 minutes and she is not drinking that much” and secretly we would all like to see such a girl and even better see she unable to reach a loo when she wants to. If I saw such a girl at a party, or at work, I would make an effort to get to know her, knowing (thinking?) that any time spent with her would be likely to result in some desperate to find a loo incidents and other delightful events, such as her needing to pee in public and knowing how she secretly holds back her bursting need to pee. Perverted? Some might think so, but is it any worse that wanting to squeeze her neat little bum or feel her breasts or grope between her lovely legs under her tiny mini-skirt?
Is it wrong to want to see a girl desperate to pee?? Sadism? After all she is probably quite distressed to be in such a situation and are we, as the watcher, going to do anything to help her? Some time ago I asked the question;
I saw a young lady on a railway station, trying the door of the closed Ladies loo. From her actions and the way she kept crossing her legs and twisting round in circles, she was clearly in desperate need of a pee but could not find the ladies. In despair she did ask a couple also on the station something, but they did not seem to know the answer. Now next to the locked ladies door was a notice in 3cm high letters telling the world that the ladies was shut a 20:00 and that alternative toilets were available on platform 5 over the foot bridge. Why could this girl not see this? Instead of watching her desperation should I, (am adult male) have walked up he and asked her if she was looking for a toilet and then offered to show her where there was one. This seemed to me to be a good way of being accused of harassing her, or even of indecent assault, so I just stood around and watched. If she had asked me where the ladies was I would have told her, but until she did she had to try to work it out for herself. Or she could have gone out of the station and tried one of the fast food shops in the street, or a doorway, or used the cubicle in the gents as some girls did. Of course she could have been ‘one of us’ trying to create a scene on the station and see what reaction she could get. If so she did not recognise me a an interested watcher which I would have thought she would have done if she had been into that sort of thing.
“I don’t want to see a woman, or any woman, wet herself, or pee on her pants!”
Well not exactly: I am only interested in her wetting if that wetting is because she is simply, physically, unable to contain her pee any longer. Not because she is doing it because she enjoys the sensation of having wet knickers, or she want to see the reaction of males watching her.
When I see an attractive woman, my reaction is often to want to have some more intimate contact with her; to touch her physically to feel the attractive parts of her body, and, I must admit, this makes me feel abnormal in someway, to want so see her in desperate need of urinating, having a pee, wanting to go to the toilet, call it what you like. Why? Knowing something like that about her is to know something private, intimate, something that she would rather keep to herself, maybe like the details of her underwear. How does she feel about this. She has an embarrassing private need to pee, and while this is absolutely natural and everyone needs to pee, this is something that all humans (in the Western World, at least) seem to be conditioned to be ashamed of needing to do. A woman wanting to pee and not being able to find a toilet, will do everything in her power to hide this need from others, in particular strangers and the opposite gender, and it is these actions, not as secret as she would like , that make a desperate woman so attractive to see. And there has to be some action to demonstrate how desperate or urgent her need to pee is. A woman standing, or sitting normally and simply saying in a normal voice “I am absolutely dying to go to the toilet,” is not particularly erotic or alluring. But, is she is crossing her legs, twisting them together and partly doubling over in her struggle to contain her pee, then this is more attractive and erotic. The ultimate is when she has to resort to pressing between her legs with one or preferably, both hands. Probably because she is actually demonstrating how badly she wants to go. If she continues to demonstrate her need in more extreme ways, then she becomes an even more erotic object. How? As a woman becomes more desperate to pee she has to take more extreme measure to hold out. Legs are twisted tighter together and the crouching, or winding down, position is adopted more often to get greater control. From a male point of view, a woman pees from a hole between her legs and to stop her pee coming out, she needs to keep this hole shut as best she can. One way she can do his it to squeeze it shut by keeping he thighs pressed together and thus keeping the hole, between her thighs, closed so no pee can escape. (I know this is not actually, physically, correct, but it is my perception of the action. Nobody has yet been able to explain to me why this should help anyone hold their pee any more that most of the other ‘holding’ actions do.) As her need to pee becomes more urgent, so a woman will resort to more and more extreme ways of holding it, and the more extreme they become the more she will want to hide them. A male in desperate need of a pee has the advantage that he can put his hand in his trouser pocket and grip his penis, something that will help him hold his pee in extreme circumstances. As males learn from childhood, this is something that they think cannot be seen by anyone else watching them. It may not be as secret as they think, but it is the perception that matters, and holding their pee. Alas! A woman has no such secret and effective way of holding herself, so she has to resort to other ways. ‘Sitting on her heel,’ or as some women call it ’ sitting on their foot’ seems to be their most secret way of waiting and, according to some I have spoken to, the most effective. Interestingly, while male ‘pocket-holding’ is virtually universal, female ‘heel-sitting’ seems to be less used and I have spoken to some women who say they have never used this method even though they seem to know that it is a way of holding their pee. Maybe some are not the right build (legs too long?) or have such good control they do not need such assistance, I do not know, and since it is so difficult to detect in a woman in a skirt sitting down I do not know how universal a holding method it is. Information or comments would be welcome. One lady who has been open in he discussion with me has said the she will remove her shoe and press her heel hard into her vaginal opening, when the effect is as good as if she was holding herself as hard as she could
The more desperate a woman becomes the more frantic and drastic her efforts to control herself become and the more erotic these are. Partly they are because I know that she is doing things that all her ‘training’ and ingrained behaviour, tell her not to do them as they are taboo and ‘not nice things to do’ For me to see a woman holding between her legs in desperation is erotic because I know she is only doing this because she wants to pee so desperately that she cannot hold it back by any more discrete method. In the same way, a woman wetting herself deliberately has no attraction, but to see her wetting herself because she cannot hold her pee any longer, is great, because this shows she wants to pee so badly she cannot hold it back any longer even though she is trying with all her strength. A woman who has to squat and pee in some public place is showing the same thing; she is ashamed to do this, but her need to pee is so great she will do anything to be able to go before she wets herself and she does not know of any other way she can wait.
At the risk of being accused of sadism, I admit to liking to see the various actions a woman will try to hold back her pee without letting anyone, who is not expert is noticing such behaviour, know she wants to pee very badly. I assume that over the years a woman builds up a range of waiting techniques, to help her through desperate situations, those with small bladders perhaps becoming more expert at these techniques. Apart from straight forward leg crossing and holding between the legs, techniques I have observed have been; a hand pressed between twisted legs, not ‘crutch holding’ but gripping between the thighs or knees; this seems to work for some women, perhaps when they dare not actually crutch hold. Holding between their legs from behind, not actually pressing on their pee hole but more pressing between their buttocks, something that can be seen in older women or in cartoons from Victorian times. I have seen my older relatives doing this and it seems to me as if it was the acceptable way of ‘crutch holding’ in Victorian times, (perhaps it was not considered so rude to hold from behind as openly from the front? Or perhaps it was more easily kept hidden) Pulling jeans, shorts or underwear tight between the legs is another (discrete?) way of holding, but as done by some women I have seen, it is not so discrete. I once saw a girl wearing shorts, with both hands in her pockets, trying so hard to pull her knickers tight between her legs, that it was obvious to anyone near her that she was frantic to pee. (that she almost ran into the Ladies did not help to hide this!) but modern girls with one hand in their jeans pockets, pulling the seam up between their legs are better at doing this. Modern girls seem less inhibited about admitting to the need to pee, which may be an illusion brought on by their life-style of more casual drinking causing them to need to pee more often (The alcohol would have also lowered their inhibitions about letting other know they urgently need to pee.) and more urgently at times when modern living in the city has caused many public toilets to be closed early at nights ‘for security.’ This seems to be particularly prevalent on the old stand-by of Railway Stations all of which seem to have become ‘Ladies toilet free zones’ after 8 p.m.
Reviewing, for this article, memorable cases of desperation that I had seen, I was surprised to find that many involved women who I would normally have not considered sexually attractive, but became ‘interesting’ because they were obviously in great need of a pee. It seems to me that the chance of seeing a nubile 20 year old in sexy clothes desperate for a pee and contorting herself as she tries to hold on, is most unusual, and that most desperate cases I have seen have been plain, badly dressed girls in their 20’s or middle aged women, often over-weight. While in the normal run of events I would never had given any of them a second glance or second thought, seeing them in reasonably obvious desperate need to pee makes them so much more attractive or memorable. For example; the image of a very much overweight lady of forty-something, wearing an anorak and baggy trousers, in a group looking at a town map and almost crying “Toilets! There must be toilets here somewhere!” in what seemed to be a desperate attempt to get her friends interested in them instead of other attractions of the town, as she scanned the map on which she could not find their actual position and how to get to them. With nobody to help her she went of in the wrong direction, leaving me wondering how much she was going to suffer before she found what she wanted, having left me in no doubt as to how badly she need to find them.
Have you noticed how some women seem to have the (infuriating?) ability of seeming to be able to hold their pee almost indefinitely. Have you met the amazing women who can continue to complain that they are “Dying for a loo” “Absolutely bursting for a pee” while doing nothing erotic to show how badly they need his pee, and do their best to give the impression that they will be unaffected if they did not find a loo at all? There sometimes seem to be other women who when you meet them you almost know they are never going to want to pee ‘badly’ but will just go as and when it suits them. Despite the various fantasies on this web site, I put all ‘super-models’ in this category and most female performers, however much I would like to see them desperately trying to hold their pee. What-ever ‘evidence’ is discovered, I flatly refuse to believe that Britney suffers from a small, or weak, bladder and is in frequent danger of wetting herself. I have known three girls who ‘suffered’ from this ‘disability’ all of whom had made adjustments to their life-style to avoid being caught in desperate situations, and none of whom would have considered a career as a public performer. I have always believed that events early in such a career, or a modelling career, are such that those whose bladders are ‘not up to it’ are discouraged and find a more suitable career.
While it is perfectly acceptable to comment on some aspect an attractive girl seen in public: “Look at those jeans! How does she get into them?” “Those legs- all the way to the promised land!” and so on, Walter Sport has recently noted here that making comments about a girl’s bladder is socially unacceptable, and indeed, who would dare add to the above comments: “What a bladder that girl’s got! Smaller than an egg-cup, fantastic! She has been to pee every 10 minutes and she is not drinking that much” and secretly we would all like to see such a girl and even better see she unable to reach a loo when she wants to. If I saw such a girl at a party, or at work, I would make an effort to get to know her, knowing (thinking?) that any time spent with her would be likely to result in some desperate to find a loo incidents and other delightful events, such as her needing to pee in public and knowing how she secretly holds back her bursting need to pee. Perverted? Some might think so, but is it any worse that wanting to squeeze her neat little bum or feel her breasts or grope between her lovely legs under her tiny mini-skirt?
Is it wrong to want to see a girl desperate to pee?? Sadism? After all she is probably quite distressed to be in such a situation and are we, as the watcher, going to do anything to help her? Some time ago I asked the question;
I saw a young lady on a railway station, trying the door of the closed Ladies loo. From her actions and the way she kept crossing her legs and twisting round in circles, she was clearly in desperate need of a pee but could not find the ladies. In despair she did ask a couple also on the station something, but they did not seem to know the answer. Now next to the locked ladies door was a notice in 3cm high letters telling the world that the ladies was shut a 20:00 and that alternative toilets were available on platform 5 over the foot bridge. Why could this girl not see this? Instead of watching her desperation should I, (am adult male) have walked up he and asked her if she was looking for a toilet and then offered to show her where there was one. This seemed to me to be a good way of being accused of harassing her, or even of indecent assault, so I just stood around and watched. If she had asked me where the ladies was I would have told her, but until she did she had to try to work it out for herself. Or she could have gone out of the station and tried one of the fast food shops in the street, or a doorway, or used the cubicle in the gents as some girls did. Of course she could have been ‘one of us’ trying to create a scene on the station and see what reaction she could get. If so she did not recognise me a an interested watcher which I would have thought she would have done if she had been into that sort of thing.
) by telling a woman where she might find a toilet! 
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