RIP Patches Place

[bbbarny]

Sorry to say that Patches Places is dying a slow death,,,, Yesterday all the stories gone,,, Today the PML the only reason i kept going back. No new movies in forever.....

[Peevert]

Can't they just get an overseas payment processor that doesn't have to suck up to American "standards"?

Anyway, I was able to get this via the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/201105171.../page/Home.php

That's from 2012. It seems like some of the newer wayback pages are being hijacked by a Russian spammer.

[Patches]

You have no idea what is going on!

I have kept in touch with Paul and with Flo and Ann over the payment processor issues. This has been an ongoing problem for the past couple of years. The simple answer is "No, you can't just get another payment processor." It used to be that you could find third party processors who would process credit card transactions because they included billing for many non-adult sites along with the adult sites. Mastercard and Visa have been slowly cracking down on this practice so even third party processors are now scared of billing for adult sites.

I am already saying more than I should because Paul has asked me not to discuss this publicly. Therefore I cannot go into detail about what has been happening lately. We have tried repeatedly to get payment processors in many different countries around the world. Most have rejected our applications and those who have processed payments for us have cheated us out of money that has been earned by either not paying or else paying very slowly. All I can say is that it is a very different environment today than when I started Patches' Place 20 years ago. It stops being fun when all you face is one challenge after another. Any adult business today faces very difficult times!

On the positive side, Flo Moore has already received one offer to host the PML. Let's hope details can be worked out quickly because it would be a real shame to lose this resource for those who enjoy watersports.

[Patches]

You can still get recent pages of the PML

For those of you who want to continue looking through the pages of the Pee Movie List, you can get them at http://archive.is/174.133.81.218

I don't know how recent they are but the 2015 copyright is at the bottom of each page so they must be fairly recent.

[Dusty Harold]

Disheartened

It's really sad that things like this are having to be changed . As I had written a story in the Stories Section on Patches Place , That I really had fun in writing it. It's a shame now that it's now gone . As well as the '' Pee movie List " as well to
What might happen next ?
Time will tell on that ...........

@ Patches , Please , keep us informed of any newer developments with Patches Place . As it would be important to know about

Dusty Harold

[Patches]

It's really sad that things like this are having to be changed . As I had written a story in the Stories Section on Patches Place , That I really had fun in writing it. It's a shame now that it's now gone . As well as the '' Pee movie List " as well to
What might happen next ?
Time will tell on that ...........

@ Patches , Please , keep us informed of any newer developments with Patches Place . As it would be important to know about

Dusty Harold

From what Flo and Ann tell me, the stories section at Patches' Place may never return because most of the stories would need to be edited to meet credit card processing guidelines. In addition to being extremely time consuming, it would gut the meaning and excitement from most of the stories.

What is most frustrating is that Visa and Mastercard will not give exact guidance on what is acceptable to them (probably because they hate adult sites plus they want the freedom to keep changing their requirements and not be locked into specific policies). This means that third party billers have to interpret what is required based on specific cases of what Visa and Mastercard will not allow. This must make it very frustrating for third party billers too.

On the positive side, the stories could be restored without any editing possibly on a site with a different URL that is not connected with Patches' Place. This option may not happen immediately because Flo and Ann are focused on getting the payment processing up and running as quickly as possible which has meant editing the video description pages. Fortunately, those edits are minor and do not spoil the descriptions. After this is done, Flo and Ann are committed to finding a way to restore the PML because it is such a widely used resource. While the PML will not be connected with Patches' Place as it has been in the past, it should be possible to find a new home for the PML sooner rather than later.

I am happy to answer these questions in general terms. I just cannot get too specific about all the details because it runs the risk of 1) alienating people who regularly use Patches' Place, 2) generating hate mail which Flo has already received, and 3) complicating the negotiations with payment processors through negative publicity. Your understanding and sensitivity to these matters is very much appreciated.

[Lloyd_R1]

This issue cuts to the point of what electronic financial systems are being used for in our society - it's a pure power and control thing. It shows with adult sites because they're obvious but on a more general front, electronic financial systems allow whoever controls them to control all commerce. If they don't like something (adult sites are just the obvious tip of the iceberg) they make it difficult if not impossible to do commerce with it.

Get used to it folks, this is going to get worse, probably much worse, before it gets better, and I'm not talking about just adult content. Keep your eyes and ears open - you will start to notice, if you haven't already, that types of transactions are becoming difficult....

[Patches]

This issue cuts to the point of what electronic financial systems are being used for in our society - it's a pure power and control thing. It shows with adult sites because they're obvious but on a more general front, electronic financial systems allow whoever controls them to control all commerce. If they don't like something (adult sites are just the obvious tip of the iceberg) they make it difficult if not impossible to do commerce with it.

Get used to it folks, this is going to get worse, probably much worse, before it gets better, and I'm not talking about just adult content. Keep your eyes and ears open - you will start to notice, if you haven't already, that types of transactions are becoming difficult....

Online gambling can be combined with adult sites as categories that are opposed by credit card companies and financial institutions. The only difference is that online gambling is opposed by governments around the world because the government wants to control gambling so their lotteries rake in more money. Governments put pressure on financial institutions not to provide transactions for gambling businesses. Many countries have different standards when it comes to acceptable adult businesses plus governments usually do not play a role in offering adult products and services so the amount of government pressure on financial institutions regarding adult businesses is usually less than on gambling businesses. I think financial institutions take a stand against providing transaction processing for adult businesses out of a motive to maintain a good reputation by not associating themselves in any way with adult businesses.

Lloyd has it right... it is a pure power and control thing and it is only going to get worse. This is why bitcoin and similar alternative curriencies got started. It was to remove power and control from the big financial institutions. Let me get off my soapbox here before I get too worked up over this issue!

[Lloyd_R1]

Online gambling can be combined with adult sites as categories that are opposed by credit card companies and financial institutions. The only difference is that online gambling is opposed by governments around the world because the government wants to control gambling so their lotteries rake in more money. Governments put pressure on financial institutions not to provide transactions for gambling businesses. Many countries have different standards when it comes to acceptable adult businesses plus governments usually do not play a role in offering adult products and services so the amount of government pressure on financial institutions regarding adult businesses is usually less than on gambling businesses. I think financial institutions take a stand against providing transaction processing for adult businesses out of a motive to maintain a good reputation by not associating themselves in any way with adult businesses.

Lloyd has it right... it is a pure power and control thing and it is only going to get worse. This is why bitcoin and similar alternative curriencies got started. It was to remove power and control from the big financial institutions. Let me get off my soapbox here before I get too worked up over this issue!

Well said, Patches, and spot on!

[Peevert]

Wouldn't it be humorous if, like lotteries, governments got involved in the online porn business? I say the Scandinavians would produce the pee porn.

Patches, I have a friend that worked for a guy that was doing online porn many years ago, when they got booted by their American credit card processor, they switched to a company in Holland and were back up and running within hours. I assumed that it was still that simple.

[Patches]

Patches, I have a friend that worked for a guy that was doing online porn many years ago, when they got booted by their American credit card processor, they switched to a company in Holland and were back up and running within hours. I assumed that it was still that simple.

Peevert, it used to be that simple but that was a few years ago. It is not that simple any more. You may remember the recent billing companies that Wet Set has used like Zampala-Online (based in Europe) and TW Latin America (based in Brazil). We have tried various offshore accounts and small islands like Cypress and Gibraltar and even some progressive Arab countries plus the Baltic countries but nothing has worked out. What looks promising always becomes a dead end.

About the only sales and distribution model that the credit card companies have not clamped down on is the C4S model. We don't know why they let this distribution method stand but they do. However, the C4S does not work when you want to sell DVDs and Blu-rays.

[Peevert]

Weird that they picked C4S to cooperate with. And you're right, that doesn't do you any good when you want to sell a physical product. Also, the bastards don't allow golden showers, so what fun is that?!

Slightly off topic, but the ultimate hypocrisy award has to go to the cam sites, which allow "squirting", but don't allow peeing...

[Patches]

I can't explain their policies. None of it makes sense to me!

[Lloyd_R1]

Like all censorship, it's specific. It's to do with cultural acceptance. Peeing is not considered acceptable but squirting is, presumably because squirting is allegedly female ejaculation. Some of it is, no doubt but I've seen "squirting" in some videos that goes way beyond the sort of thing you would get from orgasmic contractions.

It is the fact that peeing is not considered acceptable which will have the processing companies in a bind about any site that offers content of that sort. And it's not just peeing, but peeing is being lumped in with all the other socially and culturally unacceptable activities.

[Peevert]

The "squirting" I've seen in every porn movie, and on every cam site, has been peeing, without exception. That's why I said "hypocrisy".

I have one question for those of you who think women "ejaculate" fluid 6 feet into the air: If that fluid is not coming form the bladder, where is it coming from?

I'll believe in female ejaculation when I see it, feel it, hear it, smell it, and taste it. Until then, it's pee. And I have no problem with that.