A few thoughts! And questions for 2015?

[kevy19]

Hi everyone.

Here we are in 2015! I personal have now been on line since 1997! Hard to think that's now coming up for 18 years this Autumn! With the conception of the Internet and going first on line way back then I never dared to dream that so much re this whole glorious pee / watersports fetish of ours would be there available 24 hours a day to look at when we like from our own homes! Also to comment on this and give our views and ideas post stories and pictures! I mean up to that point in time what had we had in the UK! Well a few odd letters in the Fiesta magazine going back to the early 1980's like wise Forum magazine published a few then the Cascade magazine came along Wow! Just a basic home produced wetting magazine which I loved something at last just for us! There were a few brave people doing videos as well before the Internet but they had to be searched out and could be hard to find!

Then the Internet came and I was blown away! With the likes of Patches Place, Wetting Her Panties, Female Desperation! Which is still such a great site today! Plus so much more! All with pictures and stories and videos and so much more plus the great forums that seemed so alive with stories and debates and OK some blunt views and even some nastiness at times but this whole fetish of ours seemed so alive! There seemed so many of us out there! I had never imagined there was so many people that were in to this until the birth of the Internet! Maybe when we look back the early part of the 2000's This will be the golden era " of all kinds of pee fetish and watersports on line! Sorry about the Golden pun there"!

Another friend of mine that looks in to stuff like this reckons that after this surge of the Internet coming and the first few years and hence many of us finding out there was others out there who shared these fetishes what ever they might be that was enough for some of us and we have gone back to enjoying these on our own so to speak there again I'm not sure about this? Maybe others think there is just as much about and going on re pee fetishes on the Internet now as there was back then?

But what do we have now today as we stand here in 2015! Well true there is still so much out there to be happy and thankful about! But I find so much is all very bland so many of the paid Wetting Sites just seem to want to give us just a pretty girl standing in a bland room or garden and wet her panties or cloths! I suppose maybe as we saw more some of us wanted more and better videos! Which is not possible to do or keep up with you reach a standard and that's it how do you better that? With say the limited funds and resources these site have! I do understand that! Pay sites have had questionnaires asking what people want yet they still seem to do the same old thing and I suppose what the owner wants and likes! I don't blame them for that at all! However I now don't subscribe to any pay sites as for me what they do is not my thing!

The Forums / Groups, and Boards, seem so quiet these days! Maybe having to sign up with a name and @ has forced people away I'm not sure on that? I think the thing I leant from those early days was many of us are so turned on by different fascist of this whole pee thing! Some of us just like the desperation side and angle and nothing more! Some of us like to see a girl just wet her panties and that's it for them! But some of us like the whole thing the desperation leading to an accidental scenario type wetting! The humiliation of this the build up etc. Some of us like naked watersports out door peeing and alike. I'm not here to say what is right or wrong! Or judge or run down anyone hard work on these sites! As I'm sure some people think this is all maybe wrong! To pay girls to then go out and film them wetting for are sexual pleasure! Or sexual turn on and stimulation! Maybe we have moved on so far that we start to think it is wrong to pay models to act desperation and scenario type wettings out in videos! Maybe they just not willing do that these days? I don't know!? Others thoughts? Maybe it just's costs to much to do that now? Or is not deemed safe! Laws have changed in like the UK! I myself do feel we have lost something! Or is that just me? Maybe! So what do others think?

I do know one East European wetting site that tells me they have upwards of 20 models on there books to film all sorts of sex videos but when it come to peeing and wetting side 12 of the models will just not do this they say its far to humiliating! 3 or 4 of them say they will but then just don't turn up for the work offered that leaves maybe 5 or so and some of those can't just seem to pee or wet on camera when needed! They say how hard it is to film any type of wetting video there now! Yet these girls will all do hard core sex videos no problem!

A few day ago now while having a clear out I came across an early DVD of the Vol 1 from the Wetting Her Panties site! What a great site that was! And I'm sure still is for some of us! I had a look at this and it brought so many happy memories flooding back! "Another pun there sorry! With the likes of the No 1 and first and best ever Natalie! Plus the lovely Tiffany " They were a great double peeing act" They were acting out a little scene where Tiff is the double glazing window sales rep! Natalie opens the door and stands and tries to get rid of Tiff! Its lovely OK so its dead corny and all so put up! "So are the movies!" But I love that to! And to see the gorgeous Natalie desperate in her tight jeans is wonderful and then in the end she floods them as Tiff walks off in huff it becomes obvious she was just as desperate and has to wee her panties standing in the garden much to her own humiliation standing in her smart business skirt and black boots! Fab! This kind of video just did it for me! It covered everything desperation to a wetting plus with my own imaginations I could think this was for real! And that so added to my excitement levels!

Back then most of those girls seemed to enjoy what they were doing! By how they come across on those early videos or was that me just thinking that! I suppose to them it was a paid job! I do realise that!

What ever I feel I have been so lucky to have lived around in this period of time and share in all this when it has been more open than at any time! I was also lucky to have a wonderful late wife who loved all aspects of this fetish like I did! So many men never experience this as there again it seems so many of these sexual fetishes mean more to men than women. I don't no what the percentage is but it seems to me guessing like its 90% most men that find these fetishes such a turn on to maybe just 10% female! ?

How do others see this whole pee fetish going on in the next 15 years say? And will it get more open? Or will it simple drift back in to a very taboo no go area with less and less coverage on line as rules on sites are tightened up? I hope that's not the case!

Kev.

[Lloyd_R1]

Hi, Kevy.

As another long liner, I might as well be the first to reply.

As far as this "fetish" or group thereof is concerned, I think it's been around for a very long time, and it will probably stay that way. Whether or not it stays on the Internet is a matter for whatever forces out there want to keep it going and/or want to stop it. I cannot understand what it is about people that they want to always be stamping out anything that isn't "normal" but they do, and so we can expect a continued pressure to remove this sort of content where there is plenty on topics which are far more invasive or damaging than this.

I'm sure people will continue to explore this now and in the future. The only problem with the idea that it might disappear from the Internet is that for many of us, it was the way we found out we weren't alone, so it's a form of validation for us. That won't in any way stop us from doing what we do in private of course, until Big Brother comes along... Other than the validation aspect, though, I won't miss the pay sites too much. I'm not into anything staged, but rather like candid shots and vids of real girls really peeing their pants deliberately for fun or convenience, and/or accidentally, as long as they aren't too stressed about it.

Where do I think it will go in the next 10 years or so? Anyone's guess. But if it stays around, I'm almost certain that it will become far more common than anyone would have guessed. When we first started this online community so long ago, noone would have dreamt that there would be girls actually deliberately peeing their pants and recording it to post on social media sites. And the fact that so many are now doing that seems to be encouraging a growing culture of it particularly amongst the young adult set. I can't see that diminishing at all. Too many girls like it for a start, and this is giving them the chance to really "come out of the closet" so to speak.

[Adrian6970]

I agree with pretty much everything that Lloyd has said. One thing that's happened is that internet forums have long since lost their novelty value and if amything they're likely to decline as skype, kik and other forms of more instant communication gain ground.

To be honest I would be very sorry if pee (or other toilet material) had to disappear from cyberspace because the forums/platforms we have for such things allow people to share their fetishes in relative safety and anonymity. It would be a big step backwards if we had to go back to the days of people having to respond to cryptic adverts in top shelf magazines or having to cope with an important part of their sexuality unsupported for fear of being misunderstood.

[Lloyd_R1]

I agree with pretty much everything that Lloyd has said. One thing that's happened is that internet forums have long since lost their novelty value and if amything they're likely to decline as skype, kik and other forms of more instant communication gain ground.

To be honest I would be very sorry if pee (or other toilet material) had to disappear from cyberspace because the forums/platforms we have for such things allow people to share their fetishes in relative safety and anonymity. It would be a big step backwards if we had to go back to the days of people having to respond to cryptic adverts in top shelf magazines or having to cope with an important part of their sexuality unsupported for fear of being misunderstood.

I agree Adrian. However, there is a very insidious characteristic of groups of people - groupthink - where the majority tends to decide what is and isn't OK. When these majority groups encounter something like wetting, they instantly want to ban it. They consider it porn - in fact I'd wager most of this community considers it porn as well, because they watch videos about it. But for those of us that are truly "into" it, it's not porn, it's a lifestyle choice. They wouldn't stamp out homosexuality now, because it's been established as a lifestyle choice, no matter that there are some who still would like to. I think it will be a while before wetting is accepted in the same way, and until then, there will still be people wanting to lobby governments to ban it from the internet.

[Dusty Harold]

I agree Adrian. However, there is a very insidious characteristic of groups of people - groupthink - where the majority tends to decide what is and isn't OK. When these majority groups encounter something like wetting, they instantly want to ban it. They consider it porn - in fact I'd wager most of this community considers it porn as well, because they watch videos about it. But for those of us that are truly "into" it, it's not porn, it's a lifestyle choice. They wouldn't stamp out homosexuality now, because it's been established as a lifestyle choice, no matter that there are some who still would like to. I think it will be a while before wetting is accepted in the same way, and until then, there will still be people wanting to lobby governments to ban it from the internet.

It's a shame that wetting is not acceptable in mainstream sexual talk . As it's harmless to those who enjoy in indulging in it for the fun of it all . To ban it . Would be wrong , in my opinion and should be allowed to continue buut , still a lot thinks it's disgusting to do / even talk about it openly .
I do agree with everything that has been said on here . About this fetish of ours . That I do Hope that it will stand the test of time and will last as far into the future . Like all other fetishes will .

Dusty Harold

[Adrian6970]

I would concur with all of that. Part of the problem though is that hypocrisy is rank in the sex/adult entertainment industry. I've come across people who are more than happy to boast about their sexual exploits and achievements but suddenly become very coy the moment toilet matters are mentioned if they're not actually outraged by the suggestion that they might sometimes need to use the loo, much less enjoy it.

[Lloyd_R1]

I would concur with all of that. Part of the problem though is that hypocrisy is rank in the sex/adult entertainment industry. I've come across people who are more than happy to boast about their sexual exploits and achievements but suddenly become very coy the moment toilet matters are mentioned if they're not actually outraged by the suggestion that they might sometimes need to use the loo, much less enjoy it.

The problem here is the fact that it's considered "toilet matters" in the first place. Yes, micturation is peeing for the elimination of waste water and "toxins" from the body, but there is another purpose for peeing one which is recognised fully and acceptably in the animal world - sexual activity. The problem is the society of people who have decided that we are not animals and therefore do not "suffer" from such depraved animalistic practices.

But we are and we do. As soon as society wakes up to the fact that we ARE animals and DO use urine for sexual behaviours, we'll be better off.

[Dusty Harold]

The problem here is the fact that it's considered "toilet matters" in the first place. Yes, micturation is peeing for the elimination of waste water and "toxins" from the body, but there is another purpose for peeing one which is recognised fully and acceptably in the animal world - sexual activity. The problem is the society of people who have decided that we are not animals and therefore do not "suffer" from such depraved animalistic practices.

But we are and we do. As soon as society wakes up to the fact that we ARE animals and DO use urine for sexual behaviours, we'll be better off.

Until society as a whole finally accepts the known facts . That pee is sexy as well as fun in being used to attract a mate . As that of being used as fore play in sexual activities between 2 consenting adults .

That the pee fetish as a whole . Will be viewed as a out cast subject unless the society as a whole will fully accept it as a main stream subject to be discussed openly among all concerned and not banish nor in being rejected as being gross in not being acknowledged at all in society as it's at present time

Dusty Harold